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<blockquote data-quote="toucanbuzz" data-source="post: 8203648" data-attributes="member: 19270">I've kept puzzling through D&amp;D 5E as Crawford's &quot;look at the DMG p246&quot; Sage Advice answer seemed less than satisfactory. So, keep with &quot;if a door is an object that can be reduced, is a gate of any size also an object?&quot; Both have essentially the same design and function, along with multiple parts.I went looking for a wooden fortress door and this fits the dimensions of the fort in question:[ATTACH=full]133069[/ATTACH]In short, yeah, it's probably an object, much like the &quot;door&quot; of Daern's Instant Fortress. A building has to have walls; it doesn't have to have a door. So, that's why doors are considered &quot;discrete.&quot;But, I don't like the precedent I could create with a ruling that the size of the object doesn't matter. Otherwise, the largest statue in the world could be affected by a 3rd level novice wizard. So, I'm thinking we have to rely on &quot;DM discretion&quot; for this, especially since I came from an edition where reasonable limits were put on how much volume could be affected by &quot;shrink item.&quot;[ATTACH]133070[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="toucanbuzz, post: 8203648, member: 19270"] I've kept puzzling through D&D 5E as Crawford's "look at the DMG p246" Sage Advice answer seemed less than satisfactory. So, keep with "if a door is an object that can be [I]reduced[/I], is a gate of any size also an object?" Both have essentially the same design and function, along with multiple parts. I went looking for a wooden fortress door and this fits the dimensions of the fort in question: [ATTACH type="full"]133069[/ATTACH] In short, yeah, it's probably an object, much like the "door" of Daern's Instant Fortress. A building has to have walls; it doesn't have to have a door. So, that's why doors are considered "discrete." But, I don't like the precedent I could create with a ruling that the size of the object doesn't matter. Otherwise, the largest statue in the world could be affected by a 3rd level novice wizard. So, I'm thinking we have to rely on "DM discretion" for this, especially since I came from an edition where reasonable limits were put on how much volume could be affected by "shrink item." [ATTACH]133070[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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