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What Exactly Is the Issue With the Shadowcaster and the Truenamer Classes?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dozen" data-source="post: 6078421" data-attributes="member: 6698275"><p>Each is one side of the story, and both is a valid complaint. That makes the Truenamer unmeasurable in the Tier system. If you have the guts, go read their section in Tome of Magic right now and count how many unclear/stupid/abusable rules you can find per page. Then cry. </p><p>Optimizers who can squeeze out Truename checks large enough to not give a damn about the DC increase and the Law of Resistance are also the people who will take advantage of the poor wording of the class features, and honestly, you have to, but if you do, you are on par with the average Wizard(Reading the links posted here, Quickened Utterances scare me), but still feel left out since, well, optimizers play with other optimizers, and their peers probably optimized a decent build getting nowhere near stinky stuff from ToM. On the other end of the spectrum you have people who don't abuse the inconsistencies and don't have a Truespeak modifier in double digits at 1st level, and would have been better off playing a Commoner. There's no middle ground, really. Nobody has the drive to properly argue enough about it. The class cannot be rated because it jumps around the tiers based on how much cheese the DM is letting the Truenamer get away with, and that's either all or none most of the time, and it's risky to mess with it, since Truename magic ignores AC, SR, Saves, everything - a single step in the wrong direction tears a campaign to pieces.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dozen, post: 6078421, member: 6698275"] Each is one side of the story, and both is a valid complaint. That makes the Truenamer unmeasurable in the Tier system. If you have the guts, go read their section in Tome of Magic right now and count how many unclear/stupid/abusable rules you can find per page. Then cry. Optimizers who can squeeze out Truename checks large enough to not give a damn about the DC increase and the Law of Resistance are also the people who will take advantage of the poor wording of the class features, and honestly, you have to, but if you do, you are on par with the average Wizard(Reading the links posted here, Quickened Utterances scare me), but still feel left out since, well, optimizers play with other optimizers, and their peers probably optimized a decent build getting nowhere near stinky stuff from ToM. On the other end of the spectrum you have people who don't abuse the inconsistencies and don't have a Truespeak modifier in double digits at 1st level, and would have been better off playing a Commoner. There's no middle ground, really. Nobody has the drive to properly argue enough about it. The class cannot be rated because it jumps around the tiers based on how much cheese the DM is letting the Truenamer get away with, and that's either all or none most of the time, and it's risky to mess with it, since Truename magic ignores AC, SR, Saves, everything - a single step in the wrong direction tears a campaign to pieces. [/QUOTE]
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