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<blockquote data-quote="Terwox" data-source="post: 1748719" data-attributes="member: 1044">I started when third edition came out.Most of my friends didn't, and had played for awhile longer...it always felt to me like 3rd edition must have sucked a lot of life out of magic -- my friends were creative people, (as most d&amp;d'ers are of course,) and were always talking about all the things you could do with magic, playing mages and wanting to do things, that 3rd edition wouldn't really let you do.&nbsp; Yeah, it made the game more balanced... but it came at the expense of a lot of cool factor.I can't really remember any examples at the moment, though... I didn't play second, anyway.&nbsp; Oh well.I don't have my book yet, but I'm confused why people who want loose rules aren't playing the new white wolf system -- it's not great, but it's been developed... I dunno.&nbsp; I guess I can see the difference, but I'm not big on the tons of house rule department... eh, must go to class, can't clean up this rambling.oh well.&nbsp; 3.5 is fantastic, and you can do plenty with it.&nbsp; The tight magic is a little pesky, though, although it makes things a lot more clean, and prevents &quot;DM:&nbsp; you can't do that with that spell.&nbsp; Player:&nbsp; Why not!?&quot; type of conversations... I'm just not sure if the cost is worth the benefit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Terwox, post: 1748719, member: 1044"] I started when third edition came out. Most of my friends didn't, and had played for awhile longer... it always felt to me like 3rd edition must have sucked a lot of life out of magic -- my friends were creative people, (as most d&d'ers are of course,) and were always talking about all the things you could do with magic, playing mages and wanting to do things, that 3rd edition wouldn't really let you do. Yeah, it made the game more balanced... but it came at the expense of a lot of cool factor. I can't really remember any examples at the moment, though... I didn't play second, anyway. Oh well. I don't have my book yet, but I'm confused why people who want loose rules aren't playing the new white wolf system -- it's not great, but it's been developed... I dunno. I guess I can see the difference, but I'm not big on the tons of house rule department... eh, must go to class, can't clean up this rambling. oh well. 3.5 is fantastic, and you can do plenty with it. The tight magic is a little pesky, though, although it makes things a lot more clean, and prevents "DM: you can't do that with that spell. Player: Why not!?" type of conversations... I'm just not sure if the cost is worth the benefit. [/QUOTE]

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