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What game Could "Be" D&D, Culturally?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jaeger" data-source="post: 8532791" data-attributes="member: 27996"><p>Yes hindsight is 20/20.</p><p></p><p>But in this case we do have it.</p><p></p><p>Like Random task said: </p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>So, I don't want this to come across like I'm slagging on Traveller per se. It is a solidly designed RPG, with a loyal following, that has stood the test of time. </p><p></p><p>That being said: Traveller has never risen out of its niche. It has been absolutely murdered in sales by whomever the current license holder of the Star Wars IP is. </p><p></p><p>Always. Every time. </p><p></p><p>It also has never matched the current runner up fantasy RPG to D&D. Ever.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Still disagree. Fantasy would have still won out. </p><p></p><p>But what about this!...</p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean the cool Sci fi stuff from the late 1970's that people still remember today? Buck Rodgers, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars... </p><p></p><p>Traveller did not, and to this day <em>still doesn't sell itself as any of that.</em> Which has always been a limiter on its popularity.</p><p></p><p>And other things were still going on in popular culture when RPG's would have appeared in the late 70's.</p><p></p><p>Namely the big 'revival' in fantasy going on in the 1970's that shaped how a whole generation viewed the genre. Everything from reprints of classics from Lieber and Howard, to the Lord of the Rings animated film. Not to mention the increased popularity of Fantasy Wargaming that was also happening in the 1970's even before D&D's release.</p><p></p><p>By the late 1970's Tolkien was as popular as he had ever been, and many pulp sword and sorcery authors of the past were exposed to a whole new generation. This fantasy revival was instrumental in shaping many of the tropes we now associate with D&D today. It wasn't until we get into the 80's that D&D starts to influence the genre that spawned it.</p><p></p><p>And I am not even touching on the ways Fantasy directly taps into, and draws from our collective mythology and folklore in ways that Sci Fi does not. </p><p></p><p>All the cultural elements that made Fantasy RPG's dominant would still be there even if Traveller somehow came first.</p><p></p><p>A Traveller RPG would still have been the Everquest to someone else's World of Warcraft...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaeger, post: 8532791, member: 27996"] Yes hindsight is 20/20. But in this case we do have it. Like Random task said: Agreed. So, I don't want this to come across like I'm slagging on Traveller per se. It is a solidly designed RPG, with a loyal following, that has stood the test of time. That being said: Traveller has never risen out of its niche. It has been absolutely murdered in sales by whomever the current license holder of the Star Wars IP is. Always. Every time. It also has never matched the current runner up fantasy RPG to D&D. Ever. Still disagree. Fantasy would have still won out. But what about this!... You mean the cool Sci fi stuff from the late 1970's that people still remember today? Buck Rodgers, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars... Traveller did not, and to this day [I]still doesn't sell itself as any of that.[/I] Which has always been a limiter on its popularity. And other things were still going on in popular culture when RPG's would have appeared in the late 70's. Namely the big 'revival' in fantasy going on in the 1970's that shaped how a whole generation viewed the genre. Everything from reprints of classics from Lieber and Howard, to the Lord of the Rings animated film. Not to mention the increased popularity of Fantasy Wargaming that was also happening in the 1970's even before D&D's release. By the late 1970's Tolkien was as popular as he had ever been, and many pulp sword and sorcery authors of the past were exposed to a whole new generation. This fantasy revival was instrumental in shaping many of the tropes we now associate with D&D today. It wasn't until we get into the 80's that D&D starts to influence the genre that spawned it. And I am not even touching on the ways Fantasy directly taps into, and draws from our collective mythology and folklore in ways that Sci Fi does not. All the cultural elements that made Fantasy RPG's dominant would still be there even if Traveller somehow came first. A Traveller RPG would still have been the Everquest to someone else's World of Warcraft... [/QUOTE]
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