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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 9316534" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Exactly.The question's formulation becomes &quot;is Simulationism a phenomenon (something that you actually design toward to generate a process of blow-by-blow play that is clearly distinguishable from an alternative) or merely an epiphenomenon (exclusively a byproduct that arises from doing a thing or a collection of things; like &quot;the experiential quality of being there&quot; or &quot;immersionism&quot;)...or is it both?&quot;&nbsp; That is healthy, productive question to ask about any type of TTRPGing, Simulationism (of course) included.&nbsp; Clinton was merely asking (positing really) &quot;is Simulationism epiphenomenal only?&quot;&nbsp; Clearly Ron felt it was both phenomenon and and epiphenomenon...and one (at least one) of his favorite all time games is Simulationism.&nbsp; Its absolutely the height of &quot;I don't know what I'm talking about and just read the crappy headline by a drive-by partison&quot; to throw out the opinion that Ron Edwards hates or hated Simulationism.&nbsp; Its totally one of his things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 9316534, member: 6696971"] Exactly. The question's formulation becomes "is Simulationism a phenomenon (something that you actually design toward to generate a process of blow-by-blow play that is clearly distinguishable from an alternative) or merely an epiphenomenon (exclusively a byproduct that arises from doing a thing or a collection of things; like "the experiential quality of [I]being there[/I]" or "immersionism")...or is it both?" That is healthy, productive question to ask about any type of TTRPGing, Simulationism (of course) included. Clinton was merely asking (positing really) "is Simulationism epiphenomenal only?" Clearly Ron felt it was both phenomenon and and epiphenomenon...and one (at least one) of his favorite all time games is Simulationism. Its absolutely the height of "I don't know what I'm talking about and just read the crappy headline by a drive-by partison" to throw out the opinion that Ron Edwards hates or hated Simulationism. Its totally one of his things. [/QUOTE]

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