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<blockquote data-quote="Wofano Wotanto" data-source="post: 9613105" data-attributes="member: 7044704">Remember that for purposes of this thread, there's no pre-existing D&amp;D to establish any kind of design norms that influence the hypothetical RPG taking its historical place, regardless of its genre.&nbsp; In addition, there's no reason to assume that a bunch of historical wargamers are going to drag their own experiences into the design process. What a first-ever supers RPG designed by (say) the Marvel bullpen might look like is pure speculation, but it almost certainly wouldn't look like OD&amp;D - or V&amp;V, Golden Heroes or Champions.&nbsp; I wouldn't be shocked if it was a lot lighter on crunch and heavier on narrative elements, or resembled a collaborative creative writing exercise with a light layer of mechanics on top.&nbsp; If the rules are being published in actual floppy format they can also change and grow a lot and very rapidly even compared to OD&amp;D.&nbsp; And it's still possible there could be a point buy system and a fair bit of math - maybe the person who first gets the idea is a Richard Garfield expy from accounting who wanders into the bullpen one day and asks if anyone wants to play this new game he came up with.I also question whether Arneson and Gygax actually &quot;got it right&quot; themselves.&nbsp; I don't think they did, they just did well enough that getting in first let TSR dominate the market for long enough for class/level designs to become seen as something to be emulated.&nbsp; And they weren't even doing it with access to the kind of money, established audience and distribution network a game made by 1970s Marvel would have had.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wofano Wotanto, post: 9613105, member: 7044704"] Remember that for purposes of this thread, there's no pre-existing D&D to establish any kind of design norms that influence the hypothetical RPG taking its historical place, regardless of its genre. In addition, there's no reason to assume that a bunch of historical wargamers are going to drag their own experiences into the design process. What a first-ever supers RPG designed by (say) the Marvel bullpen might look like is pure speculation, but it almost certainly wouldn't look like OD&D - or V&V, Golden Heroes or Champions. I wouldn't be shocked if it was a lot lighter on crunch and heavier on narrative elements, or resembled a collaborative creative writing exercise with a light layer of mechanics on top. If the rules are being published in actual floppy format they can also change and grow a lot and very rapidly even compared to OD&D. And it's still possible there could be a point buy system and a fair bit of math - maybe the person who first gets the idea is a Richard Garfield expy from accounting who wanders into the bullpen one day and asks if anyone wants to play this new game he came up with. I also question whether Arneson and Gygax actually "got it right" themselves. I don't think they did, they just did well enough that getting in first let TSR dominate the market for long enough for class/level designs to become seen as something to be emulated. And they weren't even doing it with access to the kind of money, established audience and distribution network a game made by 1970s Marvel would have had. [/QUOTE]

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