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What gets me playing Draw Steel and not Pathfinder 2e?
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<blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 9746444" data-attributes="member: 42040"><p>The thing is, my potentially outlier group is very effective. The gunslinger is a crit machine, and the rogue does big sneak attack damage, so we're able to take enemies down quickly. Most of the time it's before I can even get to the enemies. </p><p>But it's the concept of optimizing your way out of the fun. While I could spend an action to duplicate myself with the thaumaturge mirror implement, most of the time it's not going to benefit the group. Instead, it presents two targets that will take attacks to our already stressed healer. I could trip the enemy, which would penalize our damage-dealing gunslinger. I could demoralize, but even if effective, the enemy is going to shrug it off on their next action and be immune for the rest of the fight. </p><p>If we had a really dynamic battle with flying enemies, I guess I'd not be able to do anything. I could shoot a nonmagical bow with a lousy Dex and no Thaumaturge weapon implement abilities. </p><p>My overall take is not that PF2 isn't interesting to me. It's that it's not interesting enough for me to play what's turning into a multi-year campaign. I've had months of play where every encounter is so similar as to be interchangeable. We've had every condition and faced creatures with every weakness. We've faced a couple haunts - and my character's only action was to Aid because I didn't have a high enough proficiency in any pertinent skill. </p><p>My magic items are boring, just keeping me at the required bonus to hit, damage, and avoid being hit. Most of my feats are so situational and provide such a minor bonus that I forget they exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Retreater, post: 9746444, member: 42040"] The thing is, my potentially outlier group is very effective. The gunslinger is a crit machine, and the rogue does big sneak attack damage, so we're able to take enemies down quickly. Most of the time it's before I can even get to the enemies. But it's the concept of optimizing your way out of the fun. While I could spend an action to duplicate myself with the thaumaturge mirror implement, most of the time it's not going to benefit the group. Instead, it presents two targets that will take attacks to our already stressed healer. I could trip the enemy, which would penalize our damage-dealing gunslinger. I could demoralize, but even if effective, the enemy is going to shrug it off on their next action and be immune for the rest of the fight. If we had a really dynamic battle with flying enemies, I guess I'd not be able to do anything. I could shoot a nonmagical bow with a lousy Dex and no Thaumaturge weapon implement abilities. My overall take is not that PF2 isn't interesting to me. It's that it's not interesting enough for me to play what's turning into a multi-year campaign. I've had months of play where every encounter is so similar as to be interchangeable. We've had every condition and faced creatures with every weakness. We've faced a couple haunts - and my character's only action was to Aid because I didn't have a high enough proficiency in any pertinent skill. My magic items are boring, just keeping me at the required bonus to hit, damage, and avoid being hit. Most of my feats are so situational and provide such a minor bonus that I forget they exist. [/QUOTE]
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