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<blockquote data-quote="Tom" data-source="post: 1363339" data-attributes="member: 14853">I have no problem with surprises.&nbsp; That's what makes the game fun.If there where clues that the PCs missed, then if I were the DM I would have said as I was killing the cleric &quot;an amulett around the neck of the golem begins to glow and suddenly the cleric doesn't feel so good, roll a saving throw&quot;.&nbsp; That lets the PCs know they screwed up.&nbsp; Or if you want more suspense, don't tell the PCs anything until they search the golem and do a detect magic spell on the amulett.&nbsp; But the PCs should screw something up before being killed.&nbsp; Screwing up might mean missing a saving throw.&nbsp; Screwing up might mean not doing enough research.&nbsp; Screwing up might mean missing a spot on an amulett or not interpreting the significance of it.&nbsp; Screwing up might mean the monster rolls two natural 20's and a crit and gets an instant kill, even though the PC actually didn't do anything wrong, they got unlucky.&nbsp; But not recognizing that a golem, who shouldn't be able to cast spells at all, can cast high level insta kill spells without providing some kind of chance of recognition that something is a miss, just seems wrong to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tom, post: 1363339, member: 14853"] I have no problem with surprises. That's what makes the game fun. If there where clues that the PCs missed, then if I were the DM I would have said as I was killing the cleric "an amulett around the neck of the golem begins to glow and suddenly the cleric doesn't feel so good, roll a saving throw". That lets the PCs know they screwed up. Or if you want more suspense, don't tell the PCs anything until they search the golem and do a detect magic spell on the amulett. But the PCs should screw something up before being killed. Screwing up might mean missing a saving throw. Screwing up might mean not doing enough research. Screwing up might mean missing a spot on an amulett or not interpreting the significance of it. Screwing up might mean the monster rolls two natural 20's and a crit and gets an instant kill, even though the PC actually didn't do anything wrong, they got unlucky. But not recognizing that a golem, who shouldn't be able to cast spells at all, can cast high level insta kill spells without providing some kind of chance of recognition that something is a miss, just seems wrong to me. [/QUOTE]

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