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<blockquote data-quote="DreadArchon" data-source="post: 3559118" data-attributes="member: 49449">I still totally disagree.&nbsp; (I see this a lot, and it's starting to become a pet peeve, so sorry if I come across as ranting a tad... because I am.)&nbsp; There's just no basis for this unless you argue fire elementals to be made out of burning wood, which there isn't reason for.&nbsp; That's why fire extinguishers are rated--you don't want to throw water on burning grease or on an electrical fire, for example.&nbsp; People get killed doing that.Fire elementals aren't made of wood.&nbsp; They're elemental fire.&nbsp; They're basically a hole in the fabric of the planes, a conduit to the Plane of Fire, and as far I'm concerned you're attempting to smother spacetime by throwing water at them.&nbsp; This won't work because spacetime isn't fueled by oxygen.The best analogy, IMAO, is the sun.&nbsp; I actually saw a message board where a number of people (over a dozen!) were arguing that you could &quot;put out the sun by surrounding it with enough water.&quot;*&nbsp; Fire is a reaction.&nbsp; To get rid of it, you have to disable whatever is causing it, and the &quot;throw water on it&quot; approach is based wholly on the assumption that oxygen is what's causing it.&nbsp; Oxygen doesn't cause fire elementals any more than it causes the sun--both can exist in a vaccuum, so why not underwater?*Physics note: The sun is a nuclear reaction.&nbsp; So, no, you can't douse it with water.&nbsp; Actually, as it has higher bond energy than iron, water would fuel the sun relatively easily.&nbsp; This, ironically, could be used to kill the star, as a star which burns faster also dies faster, but I don't think that a supernova is what you're trying to accomplish with the fire elemental thing (and even if it was, note that I don't consider fire elementals to be miniature stars, and thus it still wouldn't work).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DreadArchon, post: 3559118, member: 49449"] I still totally disagree. (I see this a lot, and it's starting to become a pet peeve, so sorry if I come across as ranting a tad... because I am.) There's just no basis for this unless you argue fire elementals to be made out of burning wood, which there isn't reason for. That's why fire extinguishers are rated--you don't want to throw water on burning grease or on an electrical fire, for example. People get [i]killed[/i] doing that. Fire elementals aren't made of wood. They're elemental fire. They're basically a hole in the fabric of the planes, a conduit to the Plane of Fire, and as far I'm concerned you're attempting to smother spacetime by throwing water at them. This won't work because spacetime isn't fueled by oxygen. The best analogy, IMAO, is the sun. I actually saw a message board where a number of people (over a dozen!) were arguing that you could "put out the sun by surrounding it with enough water."* Fire is a [i]reaction[/i]. To get rid of it, you have to disable whatever is causing it, and the "throw water on it" approach is based wholly on the assumption that oxygen is what's causing it. Oxygen doesn't cause fire elementals any more than it causes the sun--both can exist in a vaccuum, so why not underwater? *Physics note: The sun is a nuclear reaction. So, no, you can't douse it with water. Actually, as it has higher bond energy than iron, water would [i]fuel[/i] the sun relatively easily. This, ironically, [i]could[/i] be used to kill the star, as a star which burns faster also dies faster, but I don't think that a supernova is what you're trying to accomplish with the fire elemental thing (and even if it was, note that I don't consider fire elementals to be miniature stars, and thus it still wouldn't work). [/QUOTE]

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