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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5810572" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Re: Paladins, I think you'd prefer the Essentials version to the PHB one. In 4e Essentials, Paladins don't represent a God but a Virtue. There are two presented in the core Essentials line - Sacrifice and Valour. Paladins of Sacrifice are always LG and are the classic Galahad type. Paladins of Valour are just non-evil but can be neutral and their virtue isn't about helping someone else - they just have to exemplify valour. The rules and class features for each are slightly different although both are defenders. (Whereas Paladins exemplify a virtue, Blackguards exemplify a vice - existing Blackguards are Wrath and Tyrrany).</p><p> </p><p>Re: Law vs Chaos, Chaos as you describe it isn't <em>that</em> chaotic. It reads as more Existing Powers vs Interlopers. </p><p> </p><p>Also you're being nice to the Chaos God of Chain-axe wielding beserkers in a modern battlefield. And I know the Ruinous Powers are called the Chaos Gods - but in 40k I consider that a reaction to the excessive Lawfulnes of the fascistic Imperium. Father Nurgle, for instance, is basically <a href="http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm" target="_blank">the God fo the Copybook Headings</a>. Arguably more lawful than even the Imperium. And Tzeentch is the God of Chaos in the mathematical sense - highly ordered and running on rules but indistinguishable from randomness unless you know exactly what you are looking at. (Slaneesh, the Lord of Excess is, I will grant, almost completely chaotic so far as I can tell).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5810572, member: 87792"] Re: Paladins, I think you'd prefer the Essentials version to the PHB one. In 4e Essentials, Paladins don't represent a God but a Virtue. There are two presented in the core Essentials line - Sacrifice and Valour. Paladins of Sacrifice are always LG and are the classic Galahad type. Paladins of Valour are just non-evil but can be neutral and their virtue isn't about helping someone else - they just have to exemplify valour. The rules and class features for each are slightly different although both are defenders. (Whereas Paladins exemplify a virtue, Blackguards exemplify a vice - existing Blackguards are Wrath and Tyrrany). Re: Law vs Chaos, Chaos as you describe it isn't [I]that[/I] chaotic. It reads as more Existing Powers vs Interlopers. Also you're being nice to the Chaos God of Chain-axe wielding beserkers in a modern battlefield. And I know the Ruinous Powers are called the Chaos Gods - but in 40k I consider that a reaction to the excessive Lawfulnes of the fascistic Imperium. Father Nurgle, for instance, is basically [url=http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm]the God fo the Copybook Headings[/url]. Arguably more lawful than even the Imperium. And Tzeentch is the God of Chaos in the mathematical sense - highly ordered and running on rules but indistinguishable from randomness unless you know exactly what you are looking at. (Slaneesh, the Lord of Excess is, I will grant, almost completely chaotic so far as I can tell). [/QUOTE]
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