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<blockquote data-quote="sabrinathecat" data-source="post: 6235911" data-attributes="member: 89838"><p>1: I challenge you to find anyone with "Statistically relevant" access to high-school graduates. That would have to number in hundreds of thousands if not in the millions. I'd bet not even the superintendent of the largest school district in the country has that many students under him/her, and certainly not direct, personal access to them.</p><p></p><p>2: as you say, define yesteryear. How about this: take any period. But since you like specifics, let's take 1945-1965.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Apples, oranges</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which hasn't stopped.</p><p></p><p>Who?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, that would be part of the problem. Since you started with Truman, clearly this is not the era to be looking at.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, people do. People also rose to meet challenges.</p><p>And again: apples, oranges</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What accomplishments? Boy/Girl Scouts. Martial arts. Art and Science. Learning. Being ready to be a grown up.</p><p>Again, I am <em>NOT talking about Getting a Job</em>. I am <em>not talking about having a job</em>. I am talking about being <strong>Mature </strong>enough and <strong>Responsible</strong> enough to <em>handle </em>having a job. And based on the people interviewing at the restaurant last time I was there, the majority aren't.</p><p></p><p>People in my mother's generation were babysitting infants when 12 years old. The eldest children sometimes had to give up their chance at an education to earn money to support the family so that the younger would have a chance. These were not good things, but they were what was expected, and what was done.</p><p>Can you see that happening today?</p><p></p><p>You want a couple of modern examples? How about the 14 year old in Texas who just got off with murdering (that's MURDER) four people, because he has "affluency syndrome." Yeah, his family was so rich that they never had to teach him right or wrong, so he gets to escape punishment for MURDERING Four People. Oh, he's been sentenced to a $500k special camp for sensitivity training for the next couple of years. Now, please tell me how that is possible: that someone doesn't know that it is wrong to kill people. (I'd love to be the judge during the wrongful death lawsuit against the parents.)</p><p></p><p>Less dramatic: last month, someone drove by, was too close to the side of the lane, and tore the side mirror off my car. Did they stop? Yes. Did they leave a note? No. After stopping, they peeled rubber and raced away. Is that the action of an adult? No, that is the action of a child. I do not care if the driver was 17 or 70. I found out from my neighbor that this has happened several times in the last few years. His guess was once per year (but that is not, as you are so fond of, statistically relevant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sabrinathecat, post: 6235911, member: 89838"] 1: I challenge you to find anyone with "Statistically relevant" access to high-school graduates. That would have to number in hundreds of thousands if not in the millions. I'd bet not even the superintendent of the largest school district in the country has that many students under him/her, and certainly not direct, personal access to them. 2: as you say, define yesteryear. How about this: take any period. But since you like specifics, let's take 1945-1965. Apples, oranges Which hasn't stopped. Who? So, that would be part of the problem. Since you started with Truman, clearly this is not the era to be looking at. Yes, people do. People also rose to meet challenges. And again: apples, oranges What accomplishments? Boy/Girl Scouts. Martial arts. Art and Science. Learning. Being ready to be a grown up. Again, I am [I]NOT talking about Getting a Job[/I]. I am [I]not talking about having a job[/I]. I am talking about being [B]Mature [/B]enough and [B]Responsible[/B] enough to [I]handle [/I]having a job. And based on the people interviewing at the restaurant last time I was there, the majority aren't. People in my mother's generation were babysitting infants when 12 years old. The eldest children sometimes had to give up their chance at an education to earn money to support the family so that the younger would have a chance. These were not good things, but they were what was expected, and what was done. Can you see that happening today? You want a couple of modern examples? How about the 14 year old in Texas who just got off with murdering (that's MURDER) four people, because he has "affluency syndrome." Yeah, his family was so rich that they never had to teach him right or wrong, so he gets to escape punishment for MURDERING Four People. Oh, he's been sentenced to a $500k special camp for sensitivity training for the next couple of years. Now, please tell me how that is possible: that someone doesn't know that it is wrong to kill people. (I'd love to be the judge during the wrongful death lawsuit against the parents.) Less dramatic: last month, someone drove by, was too close to the side of the lane, and tore the side mirror off my car. Did they stop? Yes. Did they leave a note? No. After stopping, they peeled rubber and raced away. Is that the action of an adult? No, that is the action of a child. I do not care if the driver was 17 or 70. I found out from my neighbor that this has happened several times in the last few years. His guess was once per year (but that is not, as you are so fond of, statistically relevant. [/QUOTE]
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