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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zombie_Babies" data-source="post: 6237166" data-attributes="member: 6750039">I think a lot of it still, fortunately, depends upon talent and work ethic.  Simply keep looking to do more and then do your best at it.  My brother and myself, for example, have achieved a fair level of professional success and have done so without degrees.  I'd never suggest to some kid today to skip college or whatever but it somehow worked for me.  My brother is in management and is being groomed for an executive position.  He fell into his career.  He drove truck for a company - not even CDL level driving - and eventually worked his way into managing the shipping floor.  He parlayed that into successively higher positions at different companies.  Again, no degree.I'm in the tech field and I fell into my career as well.  I needed to get out of factory work (glad I did - two years after I quit a 21 year old kid died on the shop floor where I used to work) and my mother worked for a phone company.  She suggested I apply for the mailroom and I did ... but I never got the job.  Instead I got an entry level position in an entry level department that dealt with 911 and the very, very basic tech side of making sure it worked correctly.  I then moved to a different department that expanded and was more technical - some switch programming.  I again moved (laterally this time) to a dept that focused even more on getting into the switches and making sure the orders were processed correctly.  That job moved out of state and they didn't properly incetivise me to move with it so I didn't.  Got a job at the company I'm currently at  - entry level in their Telecom dept - and continued to move up.  They made a position for me to allow me to grow and I eventually left the Telecom side of things and am where I'm at now.  I got this position because they gave me some work from this dept and I did very well with it.  At any rate, I took a $2/hr pay cut when I moved to this company.  As I sit today, I make a little more than double what they hired me at six years ago.Unfortunately not all companies are the same and not everyone will even give you a chance without papers.  Go to school, kiddies - but take this sort of approach to heart.  Want more and do more but, more than that, show that you really want it by how you do it.</blockquote>

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