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What Happens if a Cleric/Warlock/etc PC Gravely Offends Their Supernatural Patron?
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<blockquote data-quote="JEB" data-source="post: 8540333" data-attributes="member: 10148"><p>Never came up in any game I ran, but much like some others here, it'd be very case-by-case.</p><p></p><p>For starters, some patrons (like a Great Old One or really distant, indifferent deities) might not care what their servants do, so it's a moot point. If the patron does care, then the main things would be whether the offense was intentional; the nature of the god/oath/patron; and what the player intends to do about it, if anything.</p><p></p><p>If the offense was unintentional or forced upon them, I would generally have no penalty (except from the harshest and least forgiving patrons), but there might be some expectation of regret or atonement. A PC that does neither is likely going to be on their patron's watchlist, and won't get as much forgiveness for future offenses.</p><p></p><p>If the offense was completely intentional and done without hesitation, depends on the class.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">For clerics, druids, and paladins, it's likely atonement or they'd find their supernatural abilities reduced or cut off. If your powers are dependent on a deity or cosmic principle or whatever to be recharged on a regular basis, going against that means no more easy recharges.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">For warlocks, a close reading of their abilities would be required.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supernatural abilities that appear to be learned permanently would be retained at full power, though an offended patron would probably try to capture their rogue ex-servant and take the power back, or otherwise make their life hell (possibly literally). No additional such abilities could be learned, however, since the patron would no longer be willing to grant new boons.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Supernatural abilities that appear to operate entirely at the patron's will would be reduced or cut off until the patron is no longer displeased, just as with clerics etc.</li> </ul></li> </ul><p>That all said, the PC would be welcome to seek out a replacement patron, after falling out of favor with their old one. Which would allow them to continue with little change if they desired, beyond some role-playing opportunities (and having made a very powerful enemy).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JEB, post: 8540333, member: 10148"] Never came up in any game I ran, but much like some others here, it'd be very case-by-case. For starters, some patrons (like a Great Old One or really distant, indifferent deities) might not care what their servants do, so it's a moot point. If the patron does care, then the main things would be whether the offense was intentional; the nature of the god/oath/patron; and what the player intends to do about it, if anything. If the offense was unintentional or forced upon them, I would generally have no penalty (except from the harshest and least forgiving patrons), but there might be some expectation of regret or atonement. A PC that does neither is likely going to be on their patron's watchlist, and won't get as much forgiveness for future offenses. If the offense was completely intentional and done without hesitation, depends on the class. [LIST] [*]For clerics, druids, and paladins, it's likely atonement or they'd find their supernatural abilities reduced or cut off. If your powers are dependent on a deity or cosmic principle or whatever to be recharged on a regular basis, going against that means no more easy recharges. [*]For warlocks, a close reading of their abilities would be required. [LIST] [*]Supernatural abilities that appear to be learned permanently would be retained at full power, though an offended patron would probably try to capture their rogue ex-servant and take the power back, or otherwise make their life hell (possibly literally). No additional such abilities could be learned, however, since the patron would no longer be willing to grant new boons. [*]Supernatural abilities that appear to operate entirely at the patron's will would be reduced or cut off until the patron is no longer displeased, just as with clerics etc. [/LIST] [/LIST] That all said, the PC would be welcome to seek out a replacement patron, after falling out of favor with their old one. Which would allow them to continue with little change if they desired, beyond some role-playing opportunities (and having made a very powerful enemy). [/QUOTE]
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