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What Happens If CODENAME: MORNINGSTAR Doesn't Fund?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7655793" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>The problem is twofold. </p><p></p><p>One, they keep talking about the character builder and hinting at the rest. For most people, all we've seen was the character builder. So Morningstar and HeroLabs are similar in our mind. And the Forge sounds vaguely similar to a campaign manager, and there are lots of those, from Masterplan to Realmworks. </p><p>Two, they haven't addressed those other systems. Not to my knowledge. They haven't said "this is how we're better than Masterplan" or "this is how we're different from HeroLabs and Realmworks." I'm not even sure what Roll20 is, so TT hasn't discussed how Morningstar is better. </p><p></p><p>Except for the focus of being used at the table. Which is, again, hasn't been described a lot. It's also one of the parts that seems less easy to see as it requires everyone at the table to have a tablet. </p><p>But, really, I already do a lot of what Morningstar promises to do. I send and receive messages all the time during the game via iMessage. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with that 100% but I'd also add three more:</p><p></p><p>7) Not answering the burning questions in the FAQ from the start. They have some answers now, but many people would not have checked back. And many answers are only found if you check these threads online. </p><p></p><p>8) Not waiting until the licence situation was resolved. 5e is associated with Morningstar; not knowing if we can get 5e or not makes or breaks the program for most people. </p><p></p><p>9) Going with the PRD. Pathfinder was a mistake. </p><p>PF fans have no love for Trapdoor, and have the support of digital tools already. Crossing into that market means starting from the beginning relations wise. And they haven't done much to woo the Pathfinder community, only making a couple appearances on that message board and continuing their appearances on a D&D podcast rather than pushing for a guest spot on Know Direction. (Especially since, from the breakdown of why they need $400k, they have three full time staff members devoted to social media and customer support.)</p><p>If they *had* to launch now they should have gone with just the OGL and made it more of a generic tool divorced from mechanics. Going OGL would mean they still have access to all the D&D monsters and classes and they could launch all the tools except for the character builder, giving everyone a taste of how it's usable at the table sooner.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have to agree.</p><p></p><p>But, sadly, they didn't. And because they didn't they made zero money rather than a lower portion. Plus any time and funds they spend getting the Kickstarter together. And they hurt their already shaky reputation. </p><p></p><p>I've been hard on Trapdoor, but a big reason for that is disappointment. </p><p>I was disappointed by the web beta and then disappointed by the management of the Kickstarter. I heard of the Kickstarter, I excitedly followed the link intent on throwing a few bucks their way, saw the $425,000 figure and immediately closed the tab.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7655793, member: 37579"] The problem is twofold. One, they keep talking about the character builder and hinting at the rest. For most people, all we've seen was the character builder. So Morningstar and HeroLabs are similar in our mind. And the Forge sounds vaguely similar to a campaign manager, and there are lots of those, from Masterplan to Realmworks. Two, they haven't addressed those other systems. Not to my knowledge. They haven't said "this is how we're better than Masterplan" or "this is how we're different from HeroLabs and Realmworks." I'm not even sure what Roll20 is, so TT hasn't discussed how Morningstar is better. Except for the focus of being used at the table. Which is, again, hasn't been described a lot. It's also one of the parts that seems less easy to see as it requires everyone at the table to have a tablet. But, really, I already do a lot of what Morningstar promises to do. I send and receive messages all the time during the game via iMessage. I agree with that 100% but I'd also add three more: 7) Not answering the burning questions in the FAQ from the start. They have some answers now, but many people would not have checked back. And many answers are only found if you check these threads online. 8) Not waiting until the licence situation was resolved. 5e is associated with Morningstar; not knowing if we can get 5e or not makes or breaks the program for most people. 9) Going with the PRD. Pathfinder was a mistake. PF fans have no love for Trapdoor, and have the support of digital tools already. Crossing into that market means starting from the beginning relations wise. And they haven't done much to woo the Pathfinder community, only making a couple appearances on that message board and continuing their appearances on a D&D podcast rather than pushing for a guest spot on Know Direction. (Especially since, from the breakdown of why they need $400k, they have three full time staff members devoted to social media and customer support.) If they *had* to launch now they should have gone with just the OGL and made it more of a generic tool divorced from mechanics. Going OGL would mean they still have access to all the D&D monsters and classes and they could launch all the tools except for the character builder, giving everyone a taste of how it's usable at the table sooner. I have to agree. But, sadly, they didn't. And because they didn't they made zero money rather than a lower portion. Plus any time and funds they spend getting the Kickstarter together. And they hurt their already shaky reputation. I've been hard on Trapdoor, but a big reason for that is disappointment. I was disappointed by the web beta and then disappointed by the management of the Kickstarter. I heard of the Kickstarter, I excitedly followed the link intent on throwing a few bucks their way, saw the $425,000 figure and immediately closed the tab. [/QUOTE]
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