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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 264171" data-attributes="member: 4036">ECL is largely subjective and is not related at all to CR.I don't know what the official ECL is for a lich but +6 is a conservative estimate based off of Soldarin's ECL calculator.<a href="http://www.webspawner.com/users/enbsoldarin/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.webspawner.com/users/enbsoldarin/index.html</a>Take a look at all the abilities it grants.  If I was going to have this character be a PC in my campaign, I'd probably not make him wait 6 levels to gain a level, I'd probably tell him that the ritual is extremely taxing (i.e. it's going to cost him 6 levels of XP) and let him know it's his choice when (if?) he wants to do it.That way at least he's still gaining levels and is making progress instead of being in one of those 4 year XP sinks in 2e where you needed 110,000,000 XP for the next level (minor hyperbole).But in general, look closer at all the abilities a lich gains.  Run it through the ECL calculator listed above yourself and see why it's ECL is so high.If WotC ever assigns an ECL to it I'm sure it's going to be some outrageous number like +13 or so.  (+10 for ogres, pfeh!  a 10th level character with 3 hit die, that'll last long)</blockquote>