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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 265558" data-attributes="member: 2209">I'm sticking with my no ECL for in game events. Your levels of wizard is your mastery of magic, it does not get harder to learn magic by becoming a lich.Lich is a very big power up for a wizard. Some PCs gain lots of magic items, some become blessed by the gods, some get templates added to them, and some get lots of permanent stat drains by undead or powerful curses.  Thems the breaks. If you miss a bunch of games the others get ahead of you even though it makes them more powerful if they level up ahead of you.I have no problem with a PC who succesfully becomes a lich being more powerful than his mortal companions.However, as far as gaining the template, I don't have the MM in front of me just the srd but the 120K and 4800xp is just for the phylactery. It does not make you a lich.I believe mongoose's necromancy book has a method for turning into a lich but it is very risky and not assured of working.I believe the problem here is how the PC is becoming a lich, not what game effects happen after that transformation.Becoming a lich should not be an easy thing to do. Just making an item capable of being used as a phylactery for that character should not be sufficient, only the first or an intermediary step.Don't make liches less powerful, just make them really tough to accomplish.</blockquote>