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<blockquote data-quote="NewJeffCT" data-source="post: 4865157" data-attributes="member: 10784">True, but I've always used morale in my games... early on in my current campaign, a lot of my bad guys ran away.&nbsp; Maybe not main ones that had a reason to stick it out, but why would Joe Goblin stick around if Boss Goblin, Gobbo Lieutenant and Shaman Goblin just got killed?However, in regards to Cannae, the double-enveloping force would have the advantage of more attackers because they have more room to attack from: their surrounding square is bigger than the inner, surrounded, square of the Romans (or orcs in a D&amp;D game).&nbsp; A quick square within a square on Excel for me netted 36 attackers getting melee attacks vs 28 defenders getting melee attacks.&nbsp; The attackers on the corners would also get flanking bonuses as well.There could have been as many as 36 more orcs in the middle, but none of them could have attacked in melee without going through another orc first.&nbsp; And, in D&amp;D rules, they'd be firing into melee, so -4 to hit.&nbsp; The actual battle also had the square being closed off being Hannibal's returning cavalry, which likely would have been doubly-disheartening to the Romans, as they'd also have to fight mounted troops with now none of their own.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NewJeffCT, post: 4865157, member: 10784"] True, but I've always used morale in my games... early on in my current campaign, a lot of my bad guys ran away. Maybe not main ones that had a reason to stick it out, but why would Joe Goblin stick around if Boss Goblin, Gobbo Lieutenant and Shaman Goblin just got killed? However, in regards to Cannae, the double-enveloping force would have the advantage of more attackers because they have more room to attack from: their surrounding square is bigger than the inner, surrounded, square of the Romans (or orcs in a D&D game). A quick square within a square on Excel for me netted 36 attackers getting melee attacks vs 28 defenders getting melee attacks. The attackers on the corners would also get flanking bonuses as well. There could have been as many as 36 more orcs in the middle, but none of them could have attacked in melee without going through another orc first. And, in D&D rules, they'd be firing into melee, so -4 to hit. The actual battle also had the square being closed off being Hannibal's returning cavalry, which likely would have been doubly-disheartening to the Romans, as they'd also have to fight mounted troops with now none of their own. [/QUOTE]

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