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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4227070" data-attributes="member: 22779">This is going to heavily depend on what fantasy you read.&nbsp; Conan is hardly a normal person - last descendant of Atlantis and all that, for example.&nbsp; Elric is extremely powerful even before he picks up Stormbringer.&nbsp; As are most of Moorcock's heroes.&nbsp; Aragorn is not a normal human.&nbsp; Actually, about the only &quot;normal&quot; example of their race in LOTR is Sam.&nbsp; The list is pretty lengthy of fantasy heroes that are no normal people doing heroic deeds.&nbsp; I would say that most fantasy heroes are pretty much not normal people right out of the chute.This is not true.&nbsp; PC's had twice the wealth of NPC's.&nbsp; PC's gained XP and NPC's did not (look at the cohort and follower rules).&nbsp; PC's were immune to a number of skills - diplomacy, intimidate.&nbsp; PC's were generated on higher baselines (usually at least Elite and usually quite higher, while most NPC's were not) and started with maximum hit points.The problem is, you only look at one side of the equation.&nbsp; Yes, PC's have apparently gained in power, but, then again, so have the bad guys.&nbsp; You have to compare the relative effectiveness of PC's against the challenges they face before you can say this.&nbsp; And John McCain, the guy who repeatedly gets the crap beaten out of him doesn't have those?&nbsp; Are you kidding?&nbsp; This is a guy who walks on broken glass in bare feet and then pulls the glass out and keeps on running.&nbsp; He gets the snot pounded out of hime repeatedly and then just shrugs it off.&nbsp; How is this not healing surges/second wind?&nbsp; Watch the movies again, you could EASILY model him using encounter powers/dailies/at wills.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4227070, member: 22779"] This is going to heavily depend on what fantasy you read. Conan is hardly a normal person - last descendant of Atlantis and all that, for example. Elric is extremely powerful even before he picks up Stormbringer. As are most of Moorcock's heroes. Aragorn is not a normal human. Actually, about the only "normal" example of their race in LOTR is Sam. The list is pretty lengthy of fantasy heroes that are no normal people doing heroic deeds. I would say that most fantasy heroes are pretty much not normal people right out of the chute. This is not true. PC's had twice the wealth of NPC's. PC's gained XP and NPC's did not (look at the cohort and follower rules). PC's were immune to a number of skills - diplomacy, intimidate. PC's were generated on higher baselines (usually at least Elite and usually quite higher, while most NPC's were not) and started with maximum hit points. The problem is, you only look at one side of the equation. Yes, PC's have apparently gained in power, but, then again, so have the bad guys. You have to compare the relative effectiveness of PC's against the challenges they face before you can say this. And John McCain, the guy who repeatedly gets the crap beaten out of him doesn't have those? Are you kidding? This is a guy who walks on broken glass in bare feet and then pulls the glass out and keeps on running. He gets the snot pounded out of hime repeatedly and then just shrugs it off. How is this not healing surges/second wind? Watch the movies again, you could EASILY model him using encounter powers/dailies/at wills. [/QUOTE]

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