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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PrecociousApprentice" data-source="post: 4227558" data-attributes="member: 61449">Those are all great examples Rex. I would also like to point out that all of them are characters that were normal in their background, but not when the stories start. The normalness of these characters is fluff, not game play. Not that you said anything to the contrary, but these could easily be used for evidence for the need of 0th level, the death of bildungsroman, etc....I guess superman and spiderman could be said to have started as normal in the movies, but the comics started with butt kicking, then gave background AFAIK.</blockquote>