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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 9337144" data-attributes="member: 20323">D&amp;D has had some version of &quot;a new class option unlocks&quot; throughout its history. In BD&amp;D there was name level stuff at 8th/9th, like a (traveling) fighter choosing to become an Avenger/Knight/Paladin. In AD&amp;D you could become a Bard or Druid iirc, or dual-class if you were human. In 3e there were prestige classes. In 4e there were paragon paths and epic destinies. In 5e it's subclasses.Delaying these add-ons can benefit more casual players &amp; newer players who are still learning the game.&nbsp; While we can criticize 5e's onboarding of new players in many ways, the idea of delaying some complexity vis a vis subclasses is following through on the idea of easing onboarding and encouraging increased investment as players learn the game.And it's also just a matter of personal preference! Some players (even new ones) just like more modularity and digging into the character building game - PF2e is a great choice. Others (even old ones) just want to shut up and play already, and they'll figure their character out as they go – several OSR games are a great choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 9337144, member: 20323"] D&D has had some version of "a new class option unlocks" throughout its history. In BD&D there was name level stuff at 8th/9th, like a (traveling) fighter choosing to become an Avenger/Knight/Paladin. In AD&D you could become a Bard or Druid iirc, or dual-class if you were human. In 3e there were prestige classes. In 4e there were paragon paths [I]and [/I]epic destinies. In 5e it's subclasses. Delaying these add-ons can benefit more casual players & newer players who are still learning the game. While we can criticize 5e's onboarding of new players in many ways, the idea of delaying some complexity vis a vis subclasses is following through on the idea of easing onboarding and encouraging increased investment as players learn the game. And it's also just a matter of personal preference! Some players (even new ones) just like more modularity and digging into the character building game - PF2e is a great choice. Others (even old ones) just want to shut up and play already, and they'll figure their character out as they go – several OSR games are a great choice. [/QUOTE]

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