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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Eosin the Red" data-source="post: 125292" data-attributes="member: 168">Two issues really.I agree that it was a good thing(TM),  that is rarely seen in fantasy lit. Killing is frequently glossed over in Fantasy Lit.  Primarily, because death makes us uncomfortable. Martin's characters not only kill, they live with the emotions of killing. They have images burned into their brain that they cannot forget. They kill people they care for. Placed in Jons shoes, I would poop on myself and start to cry. He was a basically good person put into a loose-loose situation. Death is very different. Death can be horrible. Death can also be calm and serene. The West has a preoccupation with avoiding end of life issues, because we fear it so much. The two are seperate issues. I have watched the best and the worst kinds of death. If you try to run and hide, life will eventually make you pay.On the Red Wedding:After I read the Red Wedding, I put the book on the table, walked outside and looked into the night for a long time. Few books have ever done that to me.</blockquote>