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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6371728" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>OK first, that's only because they HAD to do that as a company using Hasbro's IP to publish their books under the OGL. Second, when a competitor decided to use that OGL to do the same to Paizo and publish an online PF SRD, Paizo reacted to the competitor by co-opting the idea (which essentially drove that competitor away), so they could control it and push their advertising using it. There is nothing "free" about that corporatist behavior they exhibited. Third - Hasbro absolutely has the same open SRD - where they heck do you think Paizo got their initial content from? It's just that the Hasbro open content is from 3.0 and 3.5, not 4e or 5e. But so what - they did it first, they did it arguably more openly than Paizo, and it remains the most prolific SRD used in the business. So if you are going to credit Paizo for that thing they had to do, you might want to credit Hasbro for doing it first and with even more impact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that is a myth. Paizo has WAY WAY WAY more employees at this point than the D&D team at WOTC. And more marketing behind their efforts. And more branding, and cross-promotionals, and overhead devoted to Pathfinder, etc.. In terms of what makes a company corporatist, Paizo is doing that way bigger than the D&D team at WOTC. Again, in the past two years Paizo has churned out more content on a page-for-page basis than WOTC has ever done. And they've intentionally cross-connected them, like some comic companies have done in the past, to persuade you to buy all the rest of their content. And they've done all that with a massive ad and marketing campaign. This is not a smallish company like the D&D division of WOTC between 1997 to 2003, this is more akin to TSR at the height of 2e, when they were spamming so much content it was hard to keep up with it, as the industry leader in the RPG field.</p><p></p><p>Now again, I just see this as the reality of the market, and I like Paizo and the people who work there. But - I also appreciate corporatism, and Paizo right now is the leading juggernaut in this industry in terms of corporatist practices. </p><p></p><p>So I ask again, why do you seem to give a pass to corporatist Paizo actions, but you don't give a pass to WOTC corporatist actions? It sure seems like you either have an agenda here you're not talking about, or you've let some bias influence your principals.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6371728, member: 2525"] OK first, that's only because they HAD to do that as a company using Hasbro's IP to publish their books under the OGL. Second, when a competitor decided to use that OGL to do the same to Paizo and publish an online PF SRD, Paizo reacted to the competitor by co-opting the idea (which essentially drove that competitor away), so they could control it and push their advertising using it. There is nothing "free" about that corporatist behavior they exhibited. Third - Hasbro absolutely has the same open SRD - where they heck do you think Paizo got their initial content from? It's just that the Hasbro open content is from 3.0 and 3.5, not 4e or 5e. But so what - they did it first, they did it arguably more openly than Paizo, and it remains the most prolific SRD used in the business. So if you are going to credit Paizo for that thing they had to do, you might want to credit Hasbro for doing it first and with even more impact. No, that is a myth. Paizo has WAY WAY WAY more employees at this point than the D&D team at WOTC. And more marketing behind their efforts. And more branding, and cross-promotionals, and overhead devoted to Pathfinder, etc.. In terms of what makes a company corporatist, Paizo is doing that way bigger than the D&D team at WOTC. Again, in the past two years Paizo has churned out more content on a page-for-page basis than WOTC has ever done. And they've intentionally cross-connected them, like some comic companies have done in the past, to persuade you to buy all the rest of their content. And they've done all that with a massive ad and marketing campaign. This is not a smallish company like the D&D division of WOTC between 1997 to 2003, this is more akin to TSR at the height of 2e, when they were spamming so much content it was hard to keep up with it, as the industry leader in the RPG field. Now again, I just see this as the reality of the market, and I like Paizo and the people who work there. But - I also appreciate corporatism, and Paizo right now is the leading juggernaut in this industry in terms of corporatist practices. So I ask again, why do you seem to give a pass to corporatist Paizo actions, but you don't give a pass to WOTC corporatist actions? It sure seems like you either have an agenda here you're not talking about, or you've let some bias influence your principals. [/QUOTE]
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