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<blockquote data-quote="kaomera" data-source="post: 5527712" data-attributes="member: 38357"><p>I think there's a fairly wide distance in our points of view. I like new books and stuff, I like reading through them, finding neat stuff, etc. But they aren't in any way central to my enjoyment of the game. They're just something to do while I'm not actually DMing or playing (or doing other stuff). What's bothered me in the past is what I have seen as an over-abundance of negativity and fear-mongering (and it could even be totally reasonable and warranted but it bugs me), and I've just stayed away from D&D sites for a while when it gets too bad, and when I get back I'm in a much better frame of mind to deal with it.</p><p></p><p>If you really need new products to be happy with D&D, then I'm afraid you're likely in a bad spot, at least through the end of the year. And I don't think WotC can actually give a yes or no answer to some of these questions without running a really bad risk that what they say won't be turned into a lie by future developments. Or, actually, I can totally see WotC not coming out and saying "Sorry, option X was a neat idea that didn't pan out, and we've just flat out moved on to other things", because they're afraid it would piss off too many people.</p><p></p><p>See, if they didn't play the class because they didn't like the options available, then they didn't really want to play that class as currently written, IMO. If someone says "I don't like the vampire because it doesn't have enough options", don't they actually just mean that they don't like the options that are presented? The problem with submissions is that, yeah, it still pretty much has to be something that WotC would do themselves if they had someone who was directed to do that thing...</p><p></p><p>But the DMG3 has to justify the existence of the DMG2 first - and a lot of people gave that book a pass because of the DM advice content, and a lot of people gripe about all of the errata and re-printing of rules... WotC is kind of in a lose-lose situation here... Unfortunately for WotC D&D players & DMs are a fandom, and you just can't please them folks. (Of course, it could be argued that maybe WotC should have had some idea that this was true at the beginning of the 4e design cycle, and taken it into account... Or just in general had more of a plan and stuck to it. For a product with a slogan of "Never split the party", they sure have gone off in a lot of contradictory directions in the last few years...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kaomera, post: 5527712, member: 38357"] I think there's a fairly wide distance in our points of view. I like new books and stuff, I like reading through them, finding neat stuff, etc. But they aren't in any way central to my enjoyment of the game. They're just something to do while I'm not actually DMing or playing (or doing other stuff). What's bothered me in the past is what I have seen as an over-abundance of negativity and fear-mongering (and it could even be totally reasonable and warranted but it bugs me), and I've just stayed away from D&D sites for a while when it gets too bad, and when I get back I'm in a much better frame of mind to deal with it. If you really need new products to be happy with D&D, then I'm afraid you're likely in a bad spot, at least through the end of the year. And I don't think WotC can actually give a yes or no answer to some of these questions without running a really bad risk that what they say won't be turned into a lie by future developments. Or, actually, I can totally see WotC not coming out and saying "Sorry, option X was a neat idea that didn't pan out, and we've just flat out moved on to other things", because they're afraid it would piss off too many people. See, if they didn't play the class because they didn't like the options available, then they didn't really want to play that class as currently written, IMO. If someone says "I don't like the vampire because it doesn't have enough options", don't they actually just mean that they don't like the options that are presented? The problem with submissions is that, yeah, it still pretty much has to be something that WotC would do themselves if they had someone who was directed to do that thing... But the DMG3 has to justify the existence of the DMG2 first - and a lot of people gave that book a pass because of the DM advice content, and a lot of people gripe about all of the errata and re-printing of rules... WotC is kind of in a lose-lose situation here... Unfortunately for WotC D&D players & DMs are a fandom, and you just can't please them folks. (Of course, it could be argued that maybe WotC should have had some idea that this was true at the beginning of the 4e design cycle, and taken it into account... Or just in general had more of a plan and stuck to it. For a product with a slogan of "Never split the party", they sure have gone off in a lot of contradictory directions in the last few years...) [/QUOTE]
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