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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5528126" data-attributes="member: 94022">1.  I too doubt that you'll get an answer on this one.  Saying "No." would be dumb as it would just anger people, particularly those of us who actually like one or more of these classes and are playing one now.  Saying "Yes." boxes them in with a "promise" and then each month that goes by without any support increases the "broken promises" rage.  I agree that I would rather have a definitive answer, but I just don't think it would be a wise decision on WotC's part to give one. 2.  I agree.  They definitely do need more epic support and I definitely think they should provide it.  The thing is, it doesn't need to be a product that is nothing but Epic Tier.  A DMG 3 is useful regardless of whether or not you play Epic, just like DMG 2 was useful regardless of whether or not you play Paragon.  Same goes with monster manuals (or vaults).  Those products need not be entirely epic-based (in fact they probably should not be in my opinion), but providing epic monsters in them pleases those who want epic support without alienating those who do not play epic.  I'm not sure where the idea came that "epic support" means "only epic tier material and nothing but epic tier material".  I've seen very few people requesting epic support who have said that the support must be in the form of a product that is only useful if you are playing epic tier. 3.  I agree with the earlier post that this will almost assuredly be done -- its just a matter of time.  My offline builder is still working to a point but I admit that it does require a lot more fine tuning than I'd like (including writing in things like triggers or recharges after I print the stat block out). As for the DMG 2, I must confess that I too am confused by the assertion that people were unhappy with it.  I can't recall any complaints about it to be honest.  Much like psionic power, primal power, etc. there were people who said "It's not for me" but I can't recall any actual complaints about its content.  There were a lot of complaints about the DM's Kit content because it not only reprinted a lot of previously published content, but it was even reprinting content published in the Rules Compendium and the Heroes Of . . . books.  If you were a new player and bought all 3 books you were almost assuredly going to be disappointed at the amount of duplicative material you paid for (which seemed to be contrary to the intended goal of making the game more accessible to those new to the hobby). WotC is never going to be able to publish a product that EVERYONE will want.  Primal power or Psionic Power may be great books, but really, if you are not playing a primal/psionic character and not a DM who wants a heavy feel of these sources (without creating your own fluff) in your campaign, then you just don't have a need for them.  This is pretty much always going to be true.  About the only exception is going to be the PHB1 and that means a new edition (which would definitely be bad to do on a frequent basis).   The real problem with the epic tier support is that it is most useful to DMs and players if it comes well before the campaign reaches epic tier.  Campaigns need to be planned in advanced.  Plot arcs need to be prepared and character goals need to be set.  All of this means that the group needs an idea of where the campaign is headed for the long haul.  I definitely want to see epic tier support, but if they wait until my campaign hits 20th level to provide it, it may come too late.  By that time I have almost certainly already decided whether or not to continue the game into the epic tier.  If I am not going into the epic tier (because of a lack of sufficient support) then I am going to be making sure that my plot lines are tied up and resolved by the end of paragon tier.  If I tie everything up and THEN we finally get the epic tier support it becomes a lot more disjointed to suddenly move into the epic tier with those characters.  After all, the story's already over as far as we're concerned.  That being said, if I were to get some solid epic tier support now (well in advance of my players hitting epic tier) I can virtually guarantee that I would want to carry the game into the epic tier.  I might still go into epic anyway, but it would be far more likely if there was some decent support out there. All of this, in my opinion, explains why the whole epic tier thing really is a "Chicken or the egg" scenario.</blockquote>

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