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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5528409" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>And guess what? A lot of people aren't and not because they are "spoilt children" (I think you're the first person on this forum to have genuinely managed to insult me) but because they are very unhappy with the fact DDI is providing less and less value. While Dungeon seems to have stemmed the bleeding and "rot" that it has gone through, Dragon is a miserable magazine with very little value anymore and offers essentially nothing like it used to. So let's compare with last year, before Dark Sun came out I was getting:</p><p></p><p>1) A decentish Dragon magazine. It wasn't great, but it was miles better than it is now.</p><p></p><p>2) A decent but not amazing Dungeon magazine. In fairness filled with delves so anyone who says that Dungeon is probably a bit better now I would accept.</p><p></p><p>3) A buggy, but entirely functional monster builder <em>that I believed would soon be fixed</em>. So I didn't mind the now very chronic issues that it has.</p><p></p><p>4) A perfectly cromulent character builder that actually, you know, <em>let me build characters</em>. As an added bonus it even let me have more than <em>twenty of them</em>. </p><p></p><p>Now it is like this:</p><p></p><p>1) Rubbish. There is barely any content in the magazine anymore.</p><p></p><p>2) I actually will say this might be at the same level or better, thanks to the one man show named Robert J. Schwalb.</p><p></p><p>3) They released a monster builder, that couldn't actually build any god damn monsters. Of course I would love to bet that when it can, it will have some stupid limitation to the number of creatures I can make. Convenient when in epic tier due to wizards lacking support, I need to make around 50+ creatures just to fill out non-demon rank and file monsters. Then again, maybe I can just write every epic tier campaign to use demons! (which actually isn't anywhere near as absurd as it sounds as an idea - it's just I'd like to use something else).</p><p></p><p>4) I've never been able to build a single character in the OCB. Not since its release. Crashing on start up or during character creation - for whatever reason - is the norm. If I did get it working at this point, I would fill it up with epic level runepriests/seekers/artificers just to spite wizards. Although I do not play DnD, this was arguably one of my most useful tools that I owned. It let me track magic items, keep all my PCs characters on my machine (for playtesting purposes, that is *invaluable*), print them off to have at my IRL game/computer side etc. Now? Well I get <em>zero</em> value out of this.</p><p></p><p>So when <strong>just last year</strong> I was paying for the four things above and perfectly happy to do so - hell even just the monster builder alone - now I am paying the same amount and happy with nothing. That is not being a spoiled child, that is recognizing when you've just been utterly <strong>screwed</strong> by a company that you had loyally supported. Especially given that I was one of the first DDI subscribers as well. I subscribed straight away when the option came up due to the early Dungeon/Dragon issues - with only a promise of the CB/MB to come as well. Speaking of have you ever read those again recently? You should as it's illuminating.</p><p></p><p>So when I write "All I want is a working monster builder" <em>I am being more than generous to Wizards</em>. As for the other points:</p><p>Wow! That is me so very wrong! Wait, this is <strong>4th edition</strong>. Let me go check my books.</p><p></p><p>.....</p><p></p><p>Oh yeah! It <em>is</em> 4th edition we're discussing. I don't care what a broken terrible system did or didn't do. I am talking about what a formerly really great system <em>did</em> successfully do. For almost 2 years at that. It is only very recently they have failed at this at all. The point I made as well was not demanding support. I merely want a <em>definitive</em> answer if they <em>will</em> be supported. Don't let people cling to hope when there is none: just give a nice straight answer so everyone can move on with life.</p><p></p><p>There is a massive difference between these two comments. Before taking an incredibly insulting attitude and declaring me a "spoiled child", I would sincerely appreciate you actually read what I <em>actually</em> wrote first.</p><p><strong>I don't care what 3rd edition did</strong>. I really absolutely 100% do not care. It's not relevant because this is 4th edition and 4th edition has done great with this. Again, <em>until very recently</em>. Monster Manual 3 and the Dark Sun Creature Catalog added quite a lot of epic monsters - supporting all three tiers. Since essentials, all of a sudden monster books do not publish barely <em>any</em> epic monsters anymore. Asking for either an explanation from wizards "No we are not going to support epic tier" or for something to actually be done about it (adventures would be good too, responding to someone else) is not being a "spoiled child" to use your derisive term. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask why this edition has entirely dropped support that it was reliably providing.</p><p></p><p>In fact really my entire points 1/2 are merely about asking wizards straight if they are going to bother continuing to support those elements. I am not demanding support for those elements: Merely answers if they will. If I know there is no more epic support coming, then that is fine. It's time to think about running my games only to level 20. I would rather an answer than plan for an epic campaign, only to get bogged down again hoping for support while the immense workload <em>because of having to make a lot of stuff myself</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5528409, member: 78116"] And guess what? A lot of people aren't and not because they are "spoilt children" (I think you're the first person on this forum to have genuinely managed to insult me) but because they are very unhappy with the fact DDI is providing less and less value. While Dungeon seems to have stemmed the bleeding and "rot" that it has gone through, Dragon is a miserable magazine with very little value anymore and offers essentially nothing like it used to. So let's compare with last year, before Dark Sun came out I was getting: 1) A decentish Dragon magazine. It wasn't great, but it was miles better than it is now. 2) A decent but not amazing Dungeon magazine. In fairness filled with delves so anyone who says that Dungeon is probably a bit better now I would accept. 3) A buggy, but entirely functional monster builder [I]that I believed would soon be fixed[/I]. So I didn't mind the now very chronic issues that it has. 4) A perfectly cromulent character builder that actually, you know, [I]let me build characters[/I]. As an added bonus it even let me have more than [I]twenty of them[/I]. Now it is like this: 1) Rubbish. There is barely any content in the magazine anymore. 2) I actually will say this might be at the same level or better, thanks to the one man show named Robert J. Schwalb. 3) They released a monster builder, that couldn't actually build any god damn monsters. Of course I would love to bet that when it can, it will have some stupid limitation to the number of creatures I can make. Convenient when in epic tier due to wizards lacking support, I need to make around 50+ creatures just to fill out non-demon rank and file monsters. Then again, maybe I can just write every epic tier campaign to use demons! (which actually isn't anywhere near as absurd as it sounds as an idea - it's just I'd like to use something else). 4) I've never been able to build a single character in the OCB. Not since its release. Crashing on start up or during character creation - for whatever reason - is the norm. If I did get it working at this point, I would fill it up with epic level runepriests/seekers/artificers just to spite wizards. Although I do not play DnD, this was arguably one of my most useful tools that I owned. It let me track magic items, keep all my PCs characters on my machine (for playtesting purposes, that is *invaluable*), print them off to have at my IRL game/computer side etc. Now? Well I get [I]zero[/I] value out of this. So when [B]just last year[/B] I was paying for the four things above and perfectly happy to do so - hell even just the monster builder alone - now I am paying the same amount and happy with nothing. That is not being a spoiled child, that is recognizing when you've just been utterly [B]screwed[/B] by a company that you had loyally supported. Especially given that I was one of the first DDI subscribers as well. I subscribed straight away when the option came up due to the early Dungeon/Dragon issues - with only a promise of the CB/MB to come as well. Speaking of have you ever read those again recently? You should as it's illuminating. So when I write "All I want is a working monster builder" [I]I am being more than generous to Wizards[/I]. As for the other points: Wow! That is me so very wrong! Wait, this is [B]4th edition[/B]. Let me go check my books. ..... Oh yeah! It [I]is[/I] 4th edition we're discussing. I don't care what a broken terrible system did or didn't do. I am talking about what a formerly really great system [I]did[/I] successfully do. For almost 2 years at that. It is only very recently they have failed at this at all. The point I made as well was not demanding support. I merely want a [I]definitive[/I] answer if they [I]will[/I] be supported. Don't let people cling to hope when there is none: just give a nice straight answer so everyone can move on with life. There is a massive difference between these two comments. Before taking an incredibly insulting attitude and declaring me a "spoiled child", I would sincerely appreciate you actually read what I [I]actually[/I] wrote first. [B]I don't care what 3rd edition did[/B]. I really absolutely 100% do not care. It's not relevant because this is 4th edition and 4th edition has done great with this. Again, [I]until very recently[/I]. Monster Manual 3 and the Dark Sun Creature Catalog added quite a lot of epic monsters - supporting all three tiers. Since essentials, all of a sudden monster books do not publish barely [I]any[/I] epic monsters anymore. Asking for either an explanation from wizards "No we are not going to support epic tier" or for something to actually be done about it (adventures would be good too, responding to someone else) is not being a "spoiled child" to use your derisive term. I think it is perfectly reasonable to ask why this edition has entirely dropped support that it was reliably providing. In fact really my entire points 1/2 are merely about asking wizards straight if they are going to bother continuing to support those elements. I am not demanding support for those elements: Merely answers if they will. If I know there is no more epic support coming, then that is fine. It's time to think about running my games only to level 20. I would rather an answer than plan for an epic campaign, only to get bogged down again hoping for support while the immense workload [I]because of having to make a lot of stuff myself[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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