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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6237626" data-attributes="member: 2525">XunValdol, the Pathfinder Sneak Attack is very similar to what's proposed for D&amp;D Next.&nbsp; The concept is closer to D&amp;D Next than it is to 3.5.&nbsp; Pathfinder eliminated the immunity from a LOT of creatures.&nbsp; People who are opposed to the vast immunity from 3.5 ARE fine with &quot;certain&quot; creatures being immune, it was just the mass of immunities by type (rather than by creature) from 3.5 that was the issue, which Pathfinder addressed.So, by arguing for Pathfinder as the example, you appear to be arguing against your prior position.&nbsp; The Pathfinder rule appears to be similar to the Next model.&nbsp; So for example, like Pathfinder (but unlike 3.5), zombies will be subject to sneak attack.&nbsp; So will skeletons, and ghouls, and ghasts, and plants, Otyughs, and Xorn, and tons of creatures that had immunity in 3.5.And there is a reason both Pathfinder, a game playtested heavily with an open playtest, and also Next, a game playtested heavily with an open playtest, seem to be addressing this issue in a similar manner.&nbsp; It seems like a majority of people didn't like all the blanket SA immunity from 3.5.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6237626, member: 2525"] XunValdol, the Pathfinder Sneak Attack is very similar to what's proposed for D&D Next. The concept is closer to D&D Next than it is to 3.5. Pathfinder eliminated the immunity from a LOT of creatures. People who are opposed to the vast immunity from 3.5 ARE fine with "certain" creatures being immune, it was just the mass of immunities by type (rather than by creature) from 3.5 that was the issue, which Pathfinder addressed. So, by arguing for Pathfinder as the example, you appear to be arguing against your prior position. The Pathfinder rule appears to be similar to the Next model. So for example, like Pathfinder (but unlike 3.5), zombies will be subject to sneak attack. So will skeletons, and ghouls, and ghasts, and plants, Otyughs, and Xorn, and tons of creatures that had immunity in 3.5. And there is a reason both Pathfinder, a game playtested heavily with an open playtest, and also Next, a game playtested heavily with an open playtest, seem to be addressing this issue in a similar manner. It seems like a majority of people didn't like all the blanket SA immunity from 3.5. [/QUOTE]

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