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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6238462" data-attributes="member: 95493">Well yeah, this is kind of what I thought too. As I said, it seems like those most chomping at the bit for 4e was those who were dissatisfied with 3e - either those who were playing and unhappy, or those who were not playing. But ether case the main demographic seems to be only those who did not enjoy the 3e style. That is why I'm very sure that 4e simply would have not worked for 3e. And that certainly it uses different math, should have been built from the ground up, and what not - all of the things that only come with a new edition of the game.So, yeah, I don't think 4e would have worked as an add-on to 3e. I think it also would have done better if it had slaughtered fewer sacred cows and worked harder to incorporate the existing fan-base and history of the game. I think that these are things they are trying to do with 5e, but we'll see how successfully they do. I fear the damage may be done for a lot of gamers - I know people in my circle simply won't try anything WotC releases at this point even if it says 5e on the tin.</blockquote>