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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5700083" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>My training comes mainly out of the Italian school, with certain strength and conditioning aspects modified from Russian, Hungarian, but primarily Polish conditioning and exercises (and a slight change with Polish footwork on the lunge, which really does seem to make a difference even with those straight out of novice training). And having started relatively late, I understand a lot of this far better than I can do it. I'm rather clumsy and not at all athletic (though very quick). I mainly teach beginners now to give the real coaches more time with those that can benefit most.</p><p> </p><p>But mainly that is relevant because this teaching style makes a point to teach the difference between what is done classically, why it matters for defense, versus what you do purely for sport purposes. (For example, you trade touches because it is a sport, and sometimes it is worth it. You learn that this is a conscious decision, because often trading touches in a real fight is not worth it.) My observation is that the mainly athletic, train to win instead of art, versions produce some decent C fencers. Then they hit the wall. They fence Olympic style, but they are never a threat to make the Olympics. The A and B fencers mainly go somewhere to get more comprehensive training.</p><p> </p><p>That said, this is less true every decade. It will probably not be true in another couple of generations. I'm only getting it because the founder of our Salle is relatively old, and learned young in New Jersey by people in a strong Italian fencing tradition who still remembered when the occasional (illegal) real duel was fought. Fencing continues to move away from its roots, and barring some serious changes in attitude and insurance premiums, probably can't help but do so. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5700083, member: 54877"] My training comes mainly out of the Italian school, with certain strength and conditioning aspects modified from Russian, Hungarian, but primarily Polish conditioning and exercises (and a slight change with Polish footwork on the lunge, which really does seem to make a difference even with those straight out of novice training). And having started relatively late, I understand a lot of this far better than I can do it. I'm rather clumsy and not at all athletic (though very quick). I mainly teach beginners now to give the real coaches more time with those that can benefit most. But mainly that is relevant because this teaching style makes a point to teach the difference between what is done classically, why it matters for defense, versus what you do purely for sport purposes. (For example, you trade touches because it is a sport, and sometimes it is worth it. You learn that this is a conscious decision, because often trading touches in a real fight is not worth it.) My observation is that the mainly athletic, train to win instead of art, versions produce some decent C fencers. Then they hit the wall. They fence Olympic style, but they are never a threat to make the Olympics. The A and B fencers mainly go somewhere to get more comprehensive training. That said, this is less true every decade. It will probably not be true in another couple of generations. I'm only getting it because the founder of our Salle is relatively old, and learned young in New Jersey by people in a strong Italian fencing tradition who still remembered when the occasional (illegal) real duel was fought. Fencing continues to move away from its roots, and barring some serious changes in attitude and insurance premiums, probably can't help but do so. :heh: [/QUOTE]
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