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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shardstone" data-source="post: 8721317" data-attributes="member: 6807784">I normally agree with you, but this is an overreaction.Two feats does not make a chain. Infinite subclasses does not exist. Having more mechanical options does not mean story-first people arne't getting what they want. I play with a community of around 25 players total who are all hardcore RPers, some of them actual actors and what not, and they love the storytelling aspects the most...and love it when crunch makes the storytelling real. You see, the reality is, most players want storytelling tools and crunch. The binary that you and a lot of others proport to exist are not the average D&D player.5e post-Tasha's isn't even half as mechanical as PF2E, and still isn't as mechanical as Level Up. Let's not exaggerate this direction into something it isn't.</blockquote>