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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8726307" data-attributes="member: 6855114">I could not agree more.If a DM isn't able to handle a class, he/she should simply ban it entirely and explain it to his/her players.I was invited to play in a cousin's game when I was a young DMs and in vacation at Montreal. His DM was quite good and I rolled an illusionist. They were level 9 so I made an 8th level illusionist. When I created the illusion of an ogre to distract wights, the DM told me they made their saves. I asked when did they stopped a full round to disbelief and he said undead were immune. I pointed him that undead were immune to charm, hold and sleep. Not to illusions and that to have a save, you needed to actually spend a round to disbelief. I even told him the page number where it was written in the DMG (as well as example of monsters in the MM).  My illusionist literally destroyed his BBEG with the simple Phantasmal Killer spell. He told my cousin to never bring a rule lawyer again in his game... Because I knew how to play an illusionist I was regarded as disruptive. And yet, I only used the spells as they were written. Illusions are so versatile that this DM was at lost on how to adjudicate them and on how his monsters should react.He could just have told me to not play an illusionist and I would have complied.  The main problem is that many DMs do not like their player to "cruise" through their adventure and often design encounters/dungeons/adventures in a mono type encounter way. A goblin cave filled with only... basic goblins, a lost temple filled with... undead and on and on. Variety is what surprises players and put them on their toes. What if that goblin cave has a few cultists and a wizard apprentice or two? What if that undead filled lost temple has a few oozes and animated objects (or golems) in it? What if in both, an antagonist had put a summoning circle and a few demon/devil/fiends of appropriate level appears? As the goblin flees, he accidentaly knocks over an oil jar that erase part of the circle and thus the fiends are freed! Or that goblin could simply hold the jar and warn that if they do not surrender/leave, a great evil will come with the drop of the jar...</blockquote>

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