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<blockquote data-quote="Rogerd1" data-source="post: 8726580" data-attributes="member: 7030973">You stated DnD has to be fantasy and I told you this was wrong due to various 3PP that use it yo emulate other genres. So you trying to stick to this same schtick is biased.Because DnD fans whine about any little change, and you are proof of this.Using a D20 engine, all the same stats in 2e. Just removing magic and having powers instead to cover all eventualities. Know what else it also had, a better cosmology too.And also had gods around mid level and cosmic beings sitting above them. Guess what DnD does not have?Its main issue is doing street level supers, it can do them but it can feel a but flat sometimes. So refining the 5e so it can shine would ge good.Wrong.The rules aren't being changed just some choices at chargen so trying to equate that to changing the game to not be DnD is utterly false. And your thinking, and others like you, is what holds DnD back yo be freer. And quite frankly who cares about tropes, I certainly don't.The D20 system is fine, there are some inherent issues that could be improved.In actual fact it does, so on this you are wrong. DnD5e is an rpg system, engine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rogerd1, post: 8726580, member: 7030973"] You stated DnD has to be fantasy and I told you this was wrong due to various 3PP that use it yo emulate other genres. So you trying to stick to this same schtick is biased. Because DnD fans whine about any little change, and you are proof of this. Using a D20 engine, all the same stats in 2e. Just removing magic and having powers instead to cover all eventualities. Know what else it also had, a better cosmology too. And also had gods around mid level and cosmic beings sitting above them. Guess what DnD does not have? Its main issue is doing street level supers, it can do them but it can feel a but flat sometimes. So refining the 5e so it can shine would ge good. Wrong. The rules aren't being changed just some choices at chargen so trying to equate that to changing the game to not be DnD is utterly false. And your thinking, and others like you, is what holds DnD back yo be freer. And quite frankly who cares about tropes, I certainly don't. The D20 system is fine, there are some inherent issues that could be improved. In actual fact it does, so on this you are wrong. DnD5e is an rpg system, engine. [/QUOTE]

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