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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5659039" data-attributes="member: 82106">I would just observe that all of this is pretty much possible now, just by setting bonus types carefully. In fact I think this WAS the original vision for 4e, it just got subverted by the difficulty of milling through all existing feats and figuring out what bonuses they all needed to have in order to make it work well. It was just easier for every new guy that came along with an idea for a feat to slap an untyped bonus on it and call it a day. However, if you think about it... all magic items could contribute enhancement bonus, so you get just the best one. Now magic weapons are optional but are a good option. You could instead have some kind of bracers or gauntlets or whatever, which would take up a slot but would contribute to attacks with pretty much any weapon. Certain things could provide 'ability bonus' which wouldn't stack with ability score bonus, but would allow you to operate without a min/maxed primary score (probably good for combining powers from different classes, but could also work for odd builds).Feats would effectively ALL be feat bonuses. Any general ones would simply be low bonuses and niche ones would be high bonuses. This failed with some feats way back when, but it can work if it is done carefully. Power bonus and such will work fine and leaders do their stuff fine.It is really just a matter of more careful overall design of 4e with more attention to the whole system. The best option would be to pretty much just obsolete all existing feats and start over with them, as those are the most problematic stuff. In THEORY you can still get a pretty good bonus somewhere, but in practice since items are now totally DM controlled and feats wouldn't stack you'd be pretty well limited. Honestly this isn't even a huge deal with permanent to-hit anyway, it is fairly controlled.Skills are probably where it is needed more. That could be achieved with a pretty modest amount of errata.</blockquote>

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