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What if clerics cast like warlocks?
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<blockquote data-quote="Xeviat" data-source="post: 6914501" data-attributes="member: 57494"><p>I don't think they are. Here's a quick comparison of the standard caster's spell points against a warlock's spell points if you converted them slot for slot (since the standard slots convert to the spell points point for point, no loss for the "versatility")</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]Level[/TD]</p><p>[TD]Spell Points[/TD]</p><p>[TD]Warlock Points[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]1[/TD]</p><p>[TD]4[/TD]</p><p>[TD]6[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]2[/TD]</p><p>[TD]6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]12[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]3[/TD]</p><p>[TD]14[/TD]</p><p>[TD]18[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]4[/TD]</p><p>[TD]17[/TD]</p><p>[TD]18[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]5[/TD]</p><p>[TD]27[/TD]</p><p>[TD]30[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]6[/TD]</p><p>[TD]32[/TD]</p><p>[TD]30[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]7[/TD]</p><p>[TD]38[/TD]</p><p>[TD]36[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]8[/TD]</p><p>[TD]44[/TD]</p><p>[TD]36[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]9[/TD]</p><p>[TD]57[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]10[/TD]</p><p>[TD]64[/TD]</p><p>[TD]42[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]11[/TD]</p><p>[TD]73[/TD]</p><p>[TD]72[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]12[/TD]</p><p>[TD]73[/TD]</p><p>[TD]72[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]13[/TD]</p><p>[TD]83[/TD]</p><p>[TD]82[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]14[/TD]</p><p>[TD]83[/TD]</p><p>[TD]82[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]15[/TD]</p><p>[TD]94[/TD]</p><p>[TD]93[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]16[/TD]</p><p>[TD]94[/TD]</p><p>[TD]93[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]17[/TD]</p><p>[TD]107[/TD]</p><p>[TD]127[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]18[/TD]</p><p>[TD]114[/TD]</p><p>[TD]127[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]19[/TD]</p><p>[TD]123[/TD]</p><p>[TD]127[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR]</p><p>[TD]20[/TD]</p><p>[TD]133[/TD]</p><p>[TD]127[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p><p></p><p></p><p>They're really close. The warlock is behind a lot, ahead for a bit, but they're neck and neck in a few places. The invocations make up for losing some of the utility of non-scaling spells, but I think those could be looked at differently. Heck, looking at the spell point system itself, I'd be terrified of a wizard's ability to use shield that much (though the wizard itself could take shield as one of it's 2 at-will spells). It does ignore the Wizard's Arcane Recovery and the Warlock's Eldritch Master, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think so. I'm getting ready to test it out.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like a Religion check, or a "piety check" whenever you cast to see if you get the spell you're hoping for? It'd be interesting, but I don't think I'd like it.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Why is the table not working? Fixed it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeviat, post: 6914501, member: 57494"] I don't think they are. Here's a quick comparison of the standard caster's spell points against a warlock's spell points if you converted them slot for slot (since the standard slots convert to the spell points point for point, no loss for the "versatility") [TABLE="width: 500"] [TR] [TD]Level[/TD] [TD]Spell Points[/TD] [TD]Warlock Points[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]57[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]64[/TD] [TD]42[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]73[/TD] [TD]72[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]73[/TD] [TD]72[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]83[/TD] [TD]82[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]83[/TD] [TD]82[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]15[/TD] [TD]94[/TD] [TD]93[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]94[/TD] [TD]93[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]17[/TD] [TD]107[/TD] [TD]127[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]114[/TD] [TD]127[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]123[/TD] [TD]127[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]20[/TD] [TD]133[/TD] [TD]127[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] They're really close. The warlock is behind a lot, ahead for a bit, but they're neck and neck in a few places. The invocations make up for losing some of the utility of non-scaling spells, but I think those could be looked at differently. Heck, looking at the spell point system itself, I'd be terrified of a wizard's ability to use shield that much (though the wizard itself could take shield as one of it's 2 at-will spells). It does ignore the Wizard's Arcane Recovery and the Warlock's Eldritch Master, though. I think so. I'm getting ready to test it out. Like a Religion check, or a "piety check" whenever you cast to see if you get the spell you're hoping for? It'd be interesting, but I don't think I'd like it. Edit: Why is the table not working? Fixed it. [/QUOTE]
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