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Message: <blockquote data-quote=".5 Elf" data-source="post: 5749620" data-attributes="member: 90290">Do Meetups count as clubs? I would say so - the NYC D&D meetup has over 1400 members listed and is actually rapidly approaching 1500.As far as clubs goes I would say that's fairly successful.Of course speaking as a proud NYer - NYC is always a special case in most of the things we do due to a lot of special NYC only factors.I <3 NY Back to the topic tho, while the quality might suffer without the money angle I think that the mass availability of ideas and games would also suffer. While this question seeks to separate the idea of commercial and cultural success I think they are pretty inextricably linked in this case, D&D's commercial success allows for a lot of people to gain exposure thus broadening the market for other games and publishers of material.   Would there be an EN World without someone seeing it as a viable way to make money? (Advertising in this case I suppose.) Although I do recognize the community supporters help out in that regard. Without the commercial success of D&D places like this wouldn't exist I don't think - or at least not on the scale it currently enjoys.By the way I would support if I could make one time payment with throwaway pre-paid debit cards (my preferred form of internet currency) but apparently EN World doesn't like that. At least last time I tried it they didn't.</blockquote>