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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7507816" data-attributes="member: 6775031">Is the ability &quot;I have an 80% chance to succeed, and my only interaction is to roll one die&quot; a much more exciting ability? I guess there's a chance of failure, so that's something, but it doesn't change your level of engagement any. There's no choice or decision involved, either way.At that point, you're getting to the conceptual limitations of a binary-success skill system. You could try to overhaul the skill system, introducing something like skill challenges, but that also seems like it's beyond the scope of this thread.You really shouldn't be shirking your duties, by skipping out on describing the locks and traps, just because the thief auto-succeeds past them. You can't blame the game for the way you DM. The real question should be, does a master burglar still feel like a master burglar if you just describe them masterfully burgling their way through an entire dungeon, without rolling any dice for it? Personally, I would say yes, the master burglar who breezes past every trap feels a lot more like a master burglar than the one who occasionally fails. Great, so they have half of the skills in the game covered. They no longer need to doubt the outcome of traps, social encounters, or obscure trivia contests. You can still challenge everyone with monsters that are immune to fire, though.I know that 5E is a lot better than 3E in letting rogues stay useful to high levels, but teleport still exists, and it still completely obviates the need for overland travel. That's just the nature of the game, that high-level characters can ignore a lot of low-level challenges.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7507816, member: 6775031"] Is the ability "I have an 80% chance to succeed, and my only interaction is to roll one die" a much more exciting ability? I guess there's a chance of failure, so that's something, but it doesn't change your level of engagement any. There's no choice or decision involved, either way. At that point, you're getting to the conceptual limitations of a binary-success skill system. You could try to overhaul the skill system, introducing something like skill challenges, but that also seems like it's beyond the scope of this thread.You really shouldn't be shirking your duties, by skipping out on describing the locks and traps, just because the thief auto-succeeds past them. You can't blame the game for the way you DM. The real question should be, does a master burglar still feel like a master burglar if you just describe them masterfully burgling their way through an entire dungeon, without rolling any dice for it? Personally, I would say yes, the master burglar who breezes past every trap feels a lot more like a master burglar than the one who occasionally fails. Great, so they have half of the skills in the game covered. They no longer need to doubt the outcome of traps, social encounters, or obscure trivia contests. You can still challenge everyone with monsters that are immune to fire, though. I know that 5E is a lot better than 3E in letting rogues stay useful to high levels, but [I]teleport[/I] still exists, and it still completely obviates the need for overland travel. That's just the nature of the game, that high-level characters can ignore a lot of low-level challenges. [/QUOTE]

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