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Message: <blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7507958" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Just to be clear - "At that point, you're getting to the conceptual limitations of a binary-success skill system. You could try to overhaul the skill system, introducing something like skill challenges, but that also seems like it's beyond the scope of this thread"technically, for skills or ability checks in 5e it is not binary at all - there are three outcomes at least - four in contests tho that might just be a different three.for a basic task and ability check - meet/beat the dc for successless than dc for failure to make progress.less than dc for make some progress with setback set by gmSo that is three options with a lot of variety for the third.For contests its also trinary with the third option being tie leaving the situation as it was, which may mean in doubt which also opens up a big can of wormy possibilities as another serioes of actions by others gets into the mix.So, you see, the difference between an auto-result and an uncertain result is a lot more than the same boring stuff or a binary pair of options. this should not be taken as a criticism of the reliable talent feature by me.However, if a Gm wanted to alter reliable talent to add some drama back in, i would suggest a consideration of the following type of alternative:Reliable Complications (Replacement for Reliable talent): For the same skills/checks/tools as indicated with reliable talent, the player can choose (after the roll and knowledge of success/fail is given) to make a failed check into a success with setback determined by the gm.this adds a little bit more umph - its not a flat 10 but a success - but always comes with setback when the initial roll fails and still keeps the drama aspects fully in play. it is actually just giving the choice between "no progress" and "some progress with setback" from the GM to the player, so its not even adding anything - just shifting who makes the choice.Obviously, an impossible task gets no check anyway so this cannot let you jump to the moon etc.Thats the kind of possibility that you can get to when you realize its not just binary by the basic PHB. maybe some like it, maybe others don't.</blockquote>

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