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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 8207435" data-attributes="member: 6845520">I would also like to know what their exact builds are as well. I'd argue a group with a Life Cleric or any other healing focused subclass is at a serious detriment in keeping up with groups who do not such a character if they do not use any healing (magical or otherwise) in combat.You can have a group of all glass cannons and survive sure, but put those cannons up against an encounter where their damage cannot just burst down the threat before it can actually harm them and I'd wager they will drop just as quickly as the monsters they normally out dps.Semi-related, if perhaps jaded, tangent to this whole discussion: why are considering punishing players for playing a defensive or healing focused build by NOT those who focus on damage? Were this an mmo forum and not discussing a team focused tabletop game this sort of reminds me to how you'd see where the rogue and mage equivalent players are whining and complaining about how healing builds are OP and should thus be nerfed because  they can't beat them in a duel, or god forbid, be dumb enough to argue that healers "aren't needed" because they "slow down the dungeon run and don't ever even come close to the top of the DPS meters".Back on topic though, if you want to change healing to be less magical it's up to you, but I urge as I did previously that you consider increasing options of non magical healing and technology levels in your world elsewhere.</blockquote>

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