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What if Making an AoO When Threatened Provoked?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hrothgar Rannúlfr" data-source="post: 5427046" data-attributes="member: 54436"><p>Yes.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>AoOs do confuse people. It took me a little while to really understand them, and I'm sure that I'm still confused, at times.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm not an expert on bullrushing and tripping. Neither have come up much in our games. I once had a couple of goblins attempt a bullrush for comic effect, but it hasn't seriously been attempted. My players almost always opt for damage dealing over infulencing battlefield position.</p><p></p><p>Here's my interpretation of <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm" target="_blank">the manuevers from the core rules</a>.</p><p>Bullrush does, indeed, provoke from every threatening enemy (unless you have Improved Bullrush or the equivalent, which disallows the AoO from the defender).</p><p></p><p>Charge would provoke from any enemies that threatened any squares you'd leave during your charge.</p><p></p><p>Disarm only provokes from the defender (unless you have Improved Disarm).</p><p></p><p>Feint doesn't provoke an AoO.</p><p></p><p>Grapple confuses me, but it seems like it provokes an AoO from the defender (unless you have improved grapple) and then if successful, it provoks AoOs from threatening opponents when you move into the defender's space (whether or not you have Improved Grapple), but not the defender.</p><p></p><p>Overrun? Provokes from the defender. Should probably provoke from other threateners if you leave a threatened square, too.</p><p></p><p>Sunder? Only from the defender (unless you have improved Sunder).</p><p></p><p>Trip? Only from the defender (unless you have improved trip).</p><p></p><p>---- ---- ----</p><p></p><p>Granted, if every one of these potential AoO's also provoked an AoO, then that'd reduce the chance of any of these ever happening even further than the RAW rules concerning these manuevers already do (in my game, at least).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hrothgar Rannúlfr, post: 5427046, member: 54436"] Yes. AoOs do confuse people. It took me a little while to really understand them, and I'm sure that I'm still confused, at times. I'm not an expert on bullrushing and tripping. Neither have come up much in our games. I once had a couple of goblins attempt a bullrush for comic effect, but it hasn't seriously been attempted. My players almost always opt for damage dealing over infulencing battlefield position. Here's my interpretation of [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm]the manuevers from the core rules[/url]. Bullrush does, indeed, provoke from every threatening enemy (unless you have Improved Bullrush or the equivalent, which disallows the AoO from the defender). Charge would provoke from any enemies that threatened any squares you'd leave during your charge. Disarm only provokes from the defender (unless you have Improved Disarm). Feint doesn't provoke an AoO. Grapple confuses me, but it seems like it provokes an AoO from the defender (unless you have improved grapple) and then if successful, it provoks AoOs from threatening opponents when you move into the defender's space (whether or not you have Improved Grapple), but not the defender. Overrun? Provokes from the defender. Should probably provoke from other threateners if you leave a threatened square, too. Sunder? Only from the defender (unless you have improved Sunder). Trip? Only from the defender (unless you have improved trip). ---- ---- ---- Granted, if every one of these potential AoO's also provoked an AoO, then that'd reduce the chance of any of these ever happening even further than the RAW rules concerning these manuevers already do (in my game, at least). [/QUOTE]
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