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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9626484" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>Didn't invent anything. The thing is, if you want to complain about what others do, there are almost always 4 fingers pointing back at you.</p><p></p><p>I am a massive fan of the books. I remember people disregarding every complaint we had towards the live action movies in almost exactly the same way you disregarded the thoughts people had towards the studio ghibli AI workover in the trailer.</p><p></p><p>The comparisons were so insanely similar that...well...yep.</p><p></p><p>What I hated was that everyone was okay with what the Live Action films did and ignored what we, the Tolkien estate, and Christopher Tolkien said about them.</p><p></p><p>What's crazier, is that Tolkien himself did not like the Cartoon creations of his works, but okay'd them (as tuition for his children basically was paid for by those deals) in cartoon form...by the very people who eventually would become part of the Studio Ghibli!</p><p></p><p>Which means, a Studio Ghibli rendtion would be far closer to what the Tolkiens would approve (but probably still dislike) than the Live Action remakes!</p><p></p><p>I've learned to love the Live Action remakes for what they are (in their own artform they are classics), but I always remember the dislike Christopher Tolkien had of them, his comments and commentary, and how he was basically ignored (or worse, at times, ridiculed) by those who loved them at the time.</p><p></p><p>I find that a certain type of person loves the movies, but hates what the older Tolkiens thoughts and ideas actually were, and they are normally the first to hop on defending the Live Action movies or holding them sacred or holy in relation to anything else.</p><p></p><p>This Studio Ghibli AI workover is far more respectful of them than anything PJ did with his Live Action movies towards Tolkien's works, and that started with the LotR trilogy, not just the Hobbit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with this.</p><p></p><p> The original rights were utilized to make something that wasn't exactly loved by the Tolkien estate, but wasn't criticized as harshly. The Live Action movies were made despite the Tolkien estates protests. </p><p></p><p>I feel that makes it a little bit more debatable, but I will concede, it's better to have the rights paid for than not, and if they did a complete workover of the Live Action movies in Ghibli Format it would be better to have the Tolkien estate on board (more than the rights holders...I care more for what the Tolkien estate thinks than any rights holders, but that's normally par for course for what I hold as Canon vs. Non-Canon debates as well, where I hold the original creators and their heirs as more representative than whoever holds the rights, inclusive of Star Wars and other properties). </p><p></p><p>That said, to be truly legal they should have the rights holder's approval if they ever went ahead and made a full rendition of this with the Ghibli AI creation.</p><p></p><p> Best would be to not just have the rights holder's go ahead, but also Studio Ghibli's approval (which will never happen, even if the Studio isn't against it, they idea that hand drawn animation is the better way to go will never let them approve of something like this, plus, they would want to do it themselves because $$$, regardless of whether the Tolkien estates approve or not).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 9626484, member: 4348"] Didn't invent anything. The thing is, if you want to complain about what others do, there are almost always 4 fingers pointing back at you. I am a massive fan of the books. I remember people disregarding every complaint we had towards the live action movies in almost exactly the same way you disregarded the thoughts people had towards the studio ghibli AI workover in the trailer. The comparisons were so insanely similar that...well...yep. What I hated was that everyone was okay with what the Live Action films did and ignored what we, the Tolkien estate, and Christopher Tolkien said about them. What's crazier, is that Tolkien himself did not like the Cartoon creations of his works, but okay'd them (as tuition for his children basically was paid for by those deals) in cartoon form...by the very people who eventually would become part of the Studio Ghibli! Which means, a Studio Ghibli rendtion would be far closer to what the Tolkiens would approve (but probably still dislike) than the Live Action remakes! I've learned to love the Live Action remakes for what they are (in their own artform they are classics), but I always remember the dislike Christopher Tolkien had of them, his comments and commentary, and how he was basically ignored (or worse, at times, ridiculed) by those who loved them at the time. I find that a certain type of person loves the movies, but hates what the older Tolkiens thoughts and ideas actually were, and they are normally the first to hop on defending the Live Action movies or holding them sacred or holy in relation to anything else. This Studio Ghibli AI workover is far more respectful of them than anything PJ did with his Live Action movies towards Tolkien's works, and that started with the LotR trilogy, not just the Hobbit. I agree with this. The original rights were utilized to make something that wasn't exactly loved by the Tolkien estate, but wasn't criticized as harshly. The Live Action movies were made despite the Tolkien estates protests. I feel that makes it a little bit more debatable, but I will concede, it's better to have the rights paid for than not, and if they did a complete workover of the Live Action movies in Ghibli Format it would be better to have the Tolkien estate on board (more than the rights holders...I care more for what the Tolkien estate thinks than any rights holders, but that's normally par for course for what I hold as Canon vs. Non-Canon debates as well, where I hold the original creators and their heirs as more representative than whoever holds the rights, inclusive of Star Wars and other properties). That said, to be truly legal they should have the rights holder's approval if they ever went ahead and made a full rendition of this with the Ghibli AI creation. Best would be to not just have the rights holder's go ahead, but also Studio Ghibli's approval (which will never happen, even if the Studio isn't against it, they idea that hand drawn animation is the better way to go will never let them approve of something like this, plus, they would want to do it themselves because $$$, regardless of whether the Tolkien estates approve or not). [/QUOTE]
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