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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Amphytrion" data-source="post: 9701057" data-attributes="member: 7046181">I think you misinterpreted what I was saying (which may have been my fault, by making the response too long). I’m not ignoring Fizban’s at all. Fizban’s states:“Bahamut and Tiamat are ontologically different from the gods that hail from the Outer Planes”.Notice that the text does not say “Bahamut and Tiamat are ontologically different from gods”, period. It adds a qualifier, a restrictive clause, “the gods that hail from the Outer Planes”.The text does not imply that all gods hail from the Outer Planes. We know for a fact that is not the case, and have plenty of evidence for this beyond just the dragon gods (Greyhawk’s table has plenty of examples).This also does not mean that Bahamut and Tiamat aren’t gods — they evidently are, based on the abundance of language we have (including from Fizban’s itself, see quotes in prior response, but also from more recent material). We know humanoids worship them as gods, and that is the same language used in Corellon and Moradin’s respective entries.What the text does tell us is that there is a subset of gods — again, not the entire swath of the divine — that hail from the Outer Planes. Bahamut and Tiamat are ontologically different from those that come from there, because they originate in the Prime Material, and this difference will lead to a series of metaphysical concepts Fizban’s introduces (e.g. dragonsight).Of course, as you mention, we are free to ignore or change things as we’d like, but I don’t think that’s what either of us is doing — my impression is that we’re disagreeing on the meaning of the printed text.EDIT: to fix some bizarre double quoting.SkidAce, does your cosmology allow for outsiders to change nature? (e.g. Zariel used to be a celestial, but is now a fiend, or Graz’zt used to be a devil, but is now a demon)If so, maybe your Wind Dukes originated with the Elemental Planes, but were later “converted” to the cause of the Seven Heavens or its equivalent.If you have Tharizdun/Elemental Evil as the stand in for the Void, that could have been the inciting cause for their realignment — a perversion of the Elemental Planes towards Chaotic Evil necessitates a balancing towards Lawful Good.</blockquote>

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