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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 4767758" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hey Karinsdad! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks for the long reply.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Me too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but I think you have to look at the responsibility of various monsters to judge whether they should be Minions, Elites, Solo Monsters or whatever. That will define your monsters core persona. But it could be 10-20 levels higher that same monster (or monsters very similar) might well only represent a lesser threat.</p><p></p><p>For instance an Evistro might be a Level 6 Brute, but it could also be a Level 14 Minion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes but you specifically mentioned that there were too many Elites and Solo opponents already, thats the reaosn I picked up on it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats an interesting take, but I am not sure I agree. To me, all power is relative. A monster that is perhaps a Solo threat for a Level 10 party could represent a mere minion for a Level 27 party.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats depends on your definition of Primordials, many of whom have been touted as more powerful than the Gods - the Gods teamwork led to the Primordials downfall. As I mentioned in a previous post, the term Primordial covers a lot of ground, some weaker than deities, some on a par with deities and others more powerful than the deities. The latter I see as the true Primordials. I'm still in the process of determining their Levels but I currently have them pencilled in at between Levels 42-56 (or possibly 47-61).</p><p></p><p>Think of it as maybe Lesser Primordial 27-36, Primordial 37-46, Greater Primordial 47-56.</p><p></p><p>The Elder Titans might fall under the category of Lesser Primordials.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I think to that end you also have to look at whom those Giants interact with. So you don't need every Giant to have multiple roles because they might have slave races (Azer), beasts (Hell Hounds) and allies (Fire Archons) to shore up any weaknesses in creating balanced encounters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Certainly this should be true when you battle the Elder Titans for the first time. But it could be that for Immortals those same Elder Titans may only represent minions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll try not to. I have 15 new Giant types to outline, so I am sure I will cover a good range of roles both in terms of different giant types and hopefully the same giant types.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Absolutely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You could even argue that no Elder Titan need be the same, they could all be unique creatures. So you could have one Elder Fire Titan who was a Controller, and another who was a Lurker and so forth...also that would solve my Level problem since they could be any Level you needed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 4767758, member: 326"] Hey Karinsdad! :) Thanks for the long reply. Me too. True, but I think you have to look at the responsibility of various monsters to judge whether they should be Minions, Elites, Solo Monsters or whatever. That will define your monsters core persona. But it could be 10-20 levels higher that same monster (or monsters very similar) might well only represent a lesser threat. For instance an Evistro might be a Level 6 Brute, but it could also be a Level 14 Minion. Yes but you specifically mentioned that there were too many Elites and Solo opponents already, thats the reaosn I picked up on it. Thats an interesting take, but I am not sure I agree. To me, all power is relative. A monster that is perhaps a Solo threat for a Level 10 party could represent a mere minion for a Level 27 party. Thats depends on your definition of Primordials, many of whom have been touted as more powerful than the Gods - the Gods teamwork led to the Primordials downfall. As I mentioned in a previous post, the term Primordial covers a lot of ground, some weaker than deities, some on a par with deities and others more powerful than the deities. The latter I see as the true Primordials. I'm still in the process of determining their Levels but I currently have them pencilled in at between Levels 42-56 (or possibly 47-61). Think of it as maybe Lesser Primordial 27-36, Primordial 37-46, Greater Primordial 47-56. The Elder Titans might fall under the category of Lesser Primordials. Well I think to that end you also have to look at whom those Giants interact with. So you don't need every Giant to have multiple roles because they might have slave races (Azer), beasts (Hell Hounds) and allies (Fire Archons) to shore up any weaknesses in creating balanced encounters. Certainly this should be true when you battle the Elder Titans for the first time. But it could be that for Immortals those same Elder Titans may only represent minions. I'll try not to. I have 15 new Giant types to outline, so I am sure I will cover a good range of roles both in terms of different giant types and hopefully the same giant types. Absolutely. You could even argue that no Elder Titan need be the same, they could all be unique creatures. So you could have one Elder Fire Titan who was a Controller, and another who was a Lurker and so forth...also that would solve my Level problem since they could be any Level you needed. [/QUOTE]
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