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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Szatany" data-source="post: 4563482" data-attributes="member: 21178">I don't think that's accurate, I think the problem lies in the peoples perception and there alone. Under currect rules, if you are a 30th level and don't have +6 weapon, you will lag 6 points behind the number you are supposed to have. If you reduce (at 30th level) the PC attack bonus and monster's defenses by 15 each, you will still lag 6 points. Mechanically nothing will change, the chance to hit will be identical.However, under 4e, your +6 bonus is only a fraction of that +30 you have from other sources, while under those proposed rules it is +6 of +15 or something similar, making it look like the bonus matters more (while in reality it doesn't).You could state that players lose the +1/2 level bonus, but gain +1/5 level bonus on attack and damage rolls with appropriate weapons and implements and to defenses with armor they are proficient with. Then you remove bonuses from magic items. I don't know if I like that idea but at least it almost completly removes magic item dependency.</blockquote>