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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 8390321" data-attributes="member: 6802765">[USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER] and [USER=67]@Rune[/USER]: are we at least in agreement that a character must accumulate 8 hours of downtime to complete a long rest, even if we radically disagree about what "downtime" means?If so, can we also agree that you successfully complete a long rest if you accumulate eight hours of downtime (including six hours of sleep) before you accumulate one hour of Strenuous Activity?Personally I'm ok with a few extra words for clarity, both because it's not a technical document and because when writing errata it makes sense to err on the side of redundancy.Additionally, it seems more likely to me that the designers used a few extra words for clarity than the idea that they wrote two lists intended to be merely examples (in the same sentence) but only included the necessary language "such as" in one of them.Finally, your interpretation lets Strenuous Activity counts as downtime. Given that Strenuous Activity would not be included in downtime in natural language, your interpretation requires treating "downtime" as jargon. Although the designers were wildly inconsistent with the use of natural language vs jargon, I'm still going to favor an interpretation that lets terms keep their natural meaning.I'm reading "activity" as being used in contrast to "sleep". That appears to me to be the most natural way to read the usage in this context. I understand that you disagree.I agree that it doesn't list everything that qualifies as light activity. We know that because the designers used the phrase "such as" when providing the list of activities that qualify as light activity. I think it's significant that the designers did not use "such as" earlier in the sentence when they provided the list of what a character does during downtime. The designers clearly know how to denote a non-exclusive list, and they didn't do so when listing what a character does during downtime, instead listing only sleep and light activity.So yes, because I agree that the list of what qualifies as light activity isn't exclusive, I naturally agree that there are things other than the provided examples that qualify as downtime. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I just think they're downtime because they are light activity, whereas you would classify them as something other than sleep/light activity/strenuous activity.</blockquote>

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