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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 1402388" data-attributes="member: 3854">So tell me, what 3 or 4 things in AD&D have turned into 15 things in D&D? If you used to just run with AC, HD, HP, and Attack in AD&D, what's stopping you from doing the same in D&D? And unless you're advancing or adding levels to a creature (which is just an option, not an order), what detail is left out of the base stats block in the MM? So it was OK to be unfair to the players in AD&D, but in D&D you *have* to be fair? Yeah, I'm actually kind of glad the D&D police have stepped up their patrols of game groups.Quick, give me the stats of an ankeg, an ettin, and a tiefling from AD&D. If you can't give me the AD&D stats, then nothing has changed for you. If you can give me the AD&D stats, then how come you can't learn them now for D&D3?You know what I used to do when I needed these stats? I'd open the MM and look them up. But now adays, damn, I *still* have to open a book and look on the page. The more things change, the more they stay the same.You are basically complaining that the new edition of the game gives you too much info and options. You, personally, don't need all those options, and don't want to have to remember all that new information. Fine, ignore it. But it is foolish to complain about being given too much info."Remember when a fast food restaurant only served hamburgers and french fries? Yeah, things were much better then. The new restaurants make you read the whole freakin' menu and choose between hamburgers, hot dogs, chicken, salads, french fries, baked potatoes, onion rings. . . sigh. I used to be able to just walk in and tell the cashier I wanted one thing, but now there are a dozen things on the menu to have to consider."The whole reason I spoke up in response to your post is because you tried to pull the same trick that I've seen lots of anti-D&D3'ers use: make absurd hyperboles about how complicated and difficult the game has gotten because it has given you more information and more options -- that most people have asked for over the years."I used to be able to color a picture in just a couple minutes with my box of 8 crayons. But now, with the new 64 crayon boxes, it takes me hours to color a dragon. And my goodness, but look at how detailed the line drawings of the dragons are now. I used to just could color the whole thing with two colors, but now I need a dozen colors to make the dragon look pretty."Quasqueton</blockquote>

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