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Message: <blockquote data-quote="buzzard" data-source="post: 1402751" data-attributes="member: 3003">I am not missing what he is saying, nor am I missing what you're saying. You both are missing the point. Some handwaving about how the earlier games weren't complete games is nonsense. I played previous editions and, you know, at the time had fun with the game. I didn't feel that anything was missing. I played in good stories and had good times. Just because 3rd has a better ruleset does not imply that previous editions did not have complete rulesets. It is simply not possible to argue in a straigtforward way that 3rd Ed combat is as simple as the previous editions. You can remove plenty of 3rd edition to make it simpler, but then is it 3rd edition? Arguing that a stripped down version of 3rd edition is simpler is irrelevant. buzzard</blockquote>