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<blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1404021" data-attributes="member: 14403">I disagree, it is fairly easy to calculate.&nbsp; I'm runnning my new group through Sunless Citadel and the Kobold Queen is a 3rd level Sorcerer with Magic Missile as one of her spells.&nbsp; Everytime she casts it two missiles fly out to strike the party.&nbsp; She's not 1st or 2nd level because she'd only get one missile and she isn't 5th or higher because she'd have more missiles.&nbsp; The party easily deduced that she was either 3rd or 4th from the number of missiles she produced when she cast the spell and any Wizard or Sorcerer with the Magic Missile spell would easily deduce that and not have to resort to out of game knowledge.Fireball is the easiest spell of all to figure out a NPC's level.&nbsp; It does 1d6 per caster level to a maximum of 10d6 so as long as the NPC isn't higher than 10th level they can figure out the exact level by noting the number of dice the DM throws (if he rolls dice in front of the party).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Calico_Jack73, post: 1404021, member: 14403"] I disagree, it is fairly easy to calculate. I'm runnning my new group through Sunless Citadel and the Kobold Queen is a 3rd level Sorcerer with Magic Missile as one of her spells. Everytime she casts it two missiles fly out to strike the party. She's not 1st or 2nd level because she'd only get one missile and she isn't 5th or higher because she'd have more missiles. The party easily deduced that she was either 3rd or 4th from the number of missiles she produced when she cast the spell and any Wizard or Sorcerer with the Magic Missile spell would easily deduce that and not have to resort to out of game knowledge. Fireball is the easiest spell of all to figure out a NPC's level. It does 1d6 per caster level to a maximum of 10d6 so as long as the NPC isn't higher than 10th level they can figure out the exact level by noting the number of dice the DM throws (if he rolls dice in front of the party). [/QUOTE]

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