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Message: <blockquote data-quote="broghammerj" data-source="post: 1409669" data-attributes="member: 1869">Here my miss listA few random things I miss about 1e/2e.  I admit that there is a certain gestault about my points, but I don't think I would classify them as nostalgic.  In my mind the two terms are very different.1. A sense of completness.  The idea that these are my books and the options/rules we use come from them.  I have in my hand what I need to play.  Every player has those books and we agree on that fact (minus a few MINOR house rules).  Now they're are so many 3rd party suppliers that have added to the market, I feel overwhelmed.  I realize the GM sets the rules on what books get used in his/her games, but many players have their own opinions on optional books.  There is no longer a collective agreement if you will, amongst all of us.  The variety present now has added infusion of creativity to RPGs and I see that as good, but there is a loss of control/completeness.  Many will respond, well you only need the "core" books to play.  Yes, thats true but I can't really set down to play DND with a group of total strangers and expect to play the same game anymore.  The universalness to the game is gone.  There are now 875 ranger variants depending on who's book you want to buy.  It sucks if you didn't buy the same one as the GM.2. A sense of standard.  Others have alluded to this.  There is no longer fighters fighting, theives stealing, etc.  I think somehow it goes beyond this.  We jokingly reference the idea of being "Monte Cooked" after we played his adventure the Banewarrens.  The players just battled a Minotaur Warrior Lv1.  Everyone asked why can't it be just a Minotaur.  What the heck does a level of warrior matter.  Everything has to be tricked up, templated, prestige classed.  IMHO variety and freedom is good for the players to define their characters, but it permeates into everything and has gone too far.  The great red wyrm is no longer a good encounter.  It's now got to be the great, demonic, undead, colossal, half celestial vermillion dragon.  JR point out that too many restrictions are better than too many options.  I think that this falls along those lines.</blockquote>

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