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<blockquote data-quote="Paul Farquhar" data-source="post: 7844984" data-attributes="member: 6906155"><p>The original D&D thief class was based on Bilbo. That's actually why it was called "thief" and not "rogue"- thief was a label specifically applied to Bilbo. And he is clearly sneak attacking those spiders. So no it is no, it's a 100% accurate approximation, by definition.</p><p></p><p>Grey Mouser is also an influence of course - and he did train - as a wizard, not a fighter or thief. In the original Deities & Demigods (of which I own a copy) The Grey Mouser is a multiclassed fighter/MU/thief.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm, a group of heroes answer a call for help and find themselves in dark tunnels fighting monsters? Doesn't sound like not-D&D to me. The D&D proficiency system works perfectly well, once you accept that Ripley is a fighter and therefore has martial weapons proficiency, even though she has no military training. Sure, she is higher level than everyone else, she would be having survived the previous film. Class doesn't matter - parties that consist of mostly fighters are entirely possible in D&D and are common in fantasy literature of all types. How many clerics do you see in stories that aren't directly based on D&D?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Those novels don't tell us anything apart from your taste in literature. They all fall into a narrow subset of a far larger genre - modern, gritty, dark, anti-heroic. And they all have one thing in common - NONE of them are in the original Appendix N list of books that inspired D&D.</p><p></p><p>Now if you had picked out Conan or John Carter as characters with military training you might have been on stronger ground. But military training doesn't stop you being a hero, it's just not a requirement.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Err, yes, most farm boy heroes have magical powers. That's kind of the point. It goes back to the Greek Myths that so heavily inspired D&D, where most heroes where the illegitimate offspring of gods (as well as farm boys).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paul Farquhar, post: 7844984, member: 6906155"] The original D&D thief class was based on Bilbo. That's actually why it was called "thief" and not "rogue"- thief was a label specifically applied to Bilbo. And he is clearly sneak attacking those spiders. So no it is no, it's a 100% accurate approximation, by definition. Grey Mouser is also an influence of course - and he did train - as a wizard, not a fighter or thief. In the original Deities & Demigods (of which I own a copy) The Grey Mouser is a multiclassed fighter/MU/thief. Hmm, a group of heroes answer a call for help and find themselves in dark tunnels fighting monsters? Doesn't sound like not-D&D to me. The D&D proficiency system works perfectly well, once you accept that Ripley is a fighter and therefore has martial weapons proficiency, even though she has no military training. Sure, she is higher level than everyone else, she would be having survived the previous film. Class doesn't matter - parties that consist of mostly fighters are entirely possible in D&D and are common in fantasy literature of all types. How many clerics do you see in stories that aren't directly based on D&D? Those novels don't tell us anything apart from your taste in literature. They all fall into a narrow subset of a far larger genre - modern, gritty, dark, anti-heroic. And they all have one thing in common - NONE of them are in the original Appendix N list of books that inspired D&D. Now if you had picked out Conan or John Carter as characters with military training you might have been on stronger ground. But military training doesn't stop you being a hero, it's just not a requirement. Err, yes, most farm boy heroes have magical powers. That's kind of the point. It goes back to the Greek Myths that so heavily inspired D&D, where most heroes where the illegitimate offspring of gods (as well as farm boys). [/QUOTE]
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