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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9420718" data-attributes="member: 5142">Maybe a bit like [USER=90374]@payn[/USER] if I understand his position correctly, I don't think that a rules-medium TTRPG has much independent value without first defining your end points of what constitutes a light TTRPG and a crunchy TTRPG. A rules-medium TTRPG is one that simply falls somewhere in the mean between those end points. I don't think that Proficiency bonus makes 5e a rules medium game. The purpose of Proficiency bonus spread is not lightness but, rather, bounded accuracy. Consider that 4e D&amp;D also was &quot;consistent regardless of what D&amp;D class you're playing as, and it's easy to remember.&quot; You added half your level to all checks, but then you were either untrained (+0), trained (+2), or expert (+3). This seems easier to remember for me than my Proficiency at a given level. However, I doubt that anyone would take that then to therefore conclude that 4e D&amp;D was a rules medium game or lighter than 5e D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 9420718, member: 5142"] Maybe a bit like [USER=90374]@payn[/USER] if I understand his position correctly, I don't think that a rules-medium TTRPG has much independent value without first defining your end points of what constitutes a light TTRPG and a crunchy TTRPG. A rules-medium TTRPG is one that simply falls somewhere in the mean between those end points. I don't think that Proficiency bonus makes 5e a rules medium game. The purpose of Proficiency bonus spread is not lightness but, rather, bounded accuracy. Consider that 4e D&D also was "consistent regardless of what D&D class you're playing as, and it's easy to remember." You added half your level to all checks, but then you were either untrained (+0), trained (+2), or expert (+3). This seems easier to remember for me than my Proficiency at a given level. However, I doubt that anyone would take that then to therefore conclude that 4e D&D was a rules medium game or lighter than 5e D&D. [/QUOTE]

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