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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9422303" data-attributes="member: 177">Eh.&nbsp; I mean, sure, the dice speak truth, but only because we agree that the die rolls shall be truth.&nbsp; But form there, you seem to be conflating or confusing common/traditional focus of crunch with goals of play.&nbsp; In a lot of (what for lack of a better term I'll call &quot;non-traditional&quot;) games, &quot;truths about the game world&quot; really isn't the interesting bit.More narrative focused games are apt to want to know truths about the characters, or about the narrative.&nbsp; And in theory, we could make that a very crunchy process.&nbsp; We may tend not to, though, due to how ownership and sharing of &quot;the game world&quot; is different from that of character or narrative.&nbsp; And, well, there are diceless games - games without any introduction of random elements at all.&nbsp; Those could still be crunchy, but you aren't listening to dice.&nbsp; Or games like Everway that have a random element, but it isn't speaking objective &quot;truth&quot;, but giving prompts to human interpretation like a tarot reading.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9422303, member: 177"] Eh. I mean, sure, the dice speak truth, but only because we [I]agree[/I] that the die rolls shall be truth. But form there, you seem to be conflating or confusing common/traditional focus of crunch with goals of play. In a lot of (what for lack of a better term I'll call "non-traditional") games, "truths about the game world" really isn't the interesting bit. More narrative focused games are apt to want to know truths about the characters, or about the narrative. And in theory, we could make that a very crunchy process. We may tend not to, though, due to how ownership and sharing of "the game world" is different from that of character or narrative. And, well, there are diceless games - games without any introduction of random elements at all. Those could still be crunchy, but you aren't listening to dice. Or games like [I]Everway[/I] that have a random element, but it isn't speaking objective "truth", but giving prompts to human interpretation like a tarot reading. [/QUOTE]

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